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[QUOTE=mickey;1046603]sanjuro ronin,

It is the not duty of a MA to question, it is the MA"s duty to investigate. I can tell your thread really means that and that you did that. It is pretty obvious that you cannot investigate someone’s ability through the internet. You have to engage, touch, and experience. This is tradition. And, thankfully, it happens in this country.

mickey[/QUOTE]

Question is the beginning of investigation, you don’t investigate something that you don’t have questions about, but I think we are in agreement and just kind of playing with the semantics of it.

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Yeah,

I guess we are.

mickey

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[QUOTE=Frost;1046600]isnt this the guy that got caught a few years ago with doctured pictures on his site of him with his claimed master? something about the head not fitting the body and him managing not to caste any shadow in the photo?

if so these guys arent the first to call him into question[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that was Painter. He put the same head on about 3 different photos.

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[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1046621]Yeah, that was Painter. He put the same head on about 3 different photos.[/QUOTE]

Wow. Now there is proof of fraud. Just wow. Any response to this cut and paste job, Dale D?

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[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1046598]Lets make one thing clear, MP did nothing wrong in questioning what he read, far from that, it is the duty of every MA to question what sounds “fishy”.
There is nothing wrong with that.
There was nothing wrong in questioning, just as there is nothing wrong in questioning the validity and effectiveness of chi sao, qigong, Qi in general, forms, the “too deadly” , etc, etc.
BUT if you are gonna question something and have no ulterior motives other than truth seeking, then when someone offers you a way to find out for yourself, why not take it up?
I used to question IP, I took it up.
I used to question qigong like the iron wire, I took it up.
I used to question the validity of ground work, I took it up.
Finding the answers to our questions is rather EASY, all we have to do is DO IT.[/QUOTE]

Before actually spending time and money to investigate something, it is always better to do some critical thinking to determine if it is worth your time and effort to actually investigate it.

In the case of being able to manipulate people without touching them, some basic logical thinking will pretty much prove the point that it is a complete hoax and not worth going out of your way to “investigate”.

Otherwise, you’d be spending most of your life chasing down and “investigating” charlatans.

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[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1046625]Before actually spending time and money to investigate something, it is always better to do some critical thinking to determine if it is worth your time and effort to actually investigate it.

In the case of being able to manipulate people without touching them, some basic logical thinking will pretty much prove the point that it is a complete hoax and not worth going out of your way to “investigate”.

Otherwise, you’d be spending most of your life chasing down and “investigating” charlatans.[/QUOTE]

Well, you make a valid point.
But I do recall some studies done on manipulation via hypnosis and “suggestion”, maybe there is some co-relation?

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BTW mysterious, the only ones who read my post incorrectly out of 242 views were KF and frost, why would I lie? its public knowledge. Perhaps you have a problem with reading comprehension as well, so before you loose more crediability thaen you alread have on this board go back and re read MY post. It clearly says (alternate bouts) but to atempt to make a point knife and frost who hate TMCA assumed I said main event. so before you speak on it read it for yourself.

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[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1046629]Well, you make a valid point.
But I do recall some studies done on manipulation via hypnosis and “suggestion”, maybe there is some co-relation?[/QUOTE]

Yep, you can make someone do something they want to do or are convinced will happen (it’s called the placebo effect and hypnotist use it all the time), but you can’t make someone do something they don’t want to do by suggestion.

It’s the same principle all cults use. They can manipulate believers, but have zero influence on non-believers.

BTW, it’s great for helping the healing process, but it is absolutely worthless for fighting.

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[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1046629]Well, you make a valid point.
But I do recall some studies done on manipulation via hypnosis and “suggestion”, maybe there is some co-relation?[/QUOTE]

I was assuming that the ‘manipulation without touching’ was referring to a feint or a flinch or some kind that might cause your opponent to react in a common way.

Certain women can control me without touching me…at first…:slight_smile:

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[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1046632]if you look at thier posts , mystertious power and knifefighter troll and post every thread together at the same time. I am beginning to wonder if they are roomates or just lovers or the same person.[/QUOTE]

You must be a genius, Earthdragon.

If knifefighter agrees with me then he will post on my threads. I used to disagree with some of what Knifefighter used to say. Not so much now these days.

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[QUOTE=MysteriousPower;1046624]Wow. Now there is proof of fraud. Just wow. Any response to this cut and paste job, Dale D?[/QUOTE]

This is the thread where it was discussed in 2004:

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-28415.html

Painter eventually posted an apology and took them down, but I can’t find that thread.

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[QUOTE=IronWeasel;1046638]I was assuming that the ‘manipulation without touching’ was referring to a feint or a flinch or some kind that might cause your opponent to react in a common way.

Certain women can control me without touching me…at first…:)[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=IronWeasel;1046638]I was assuming that the ‘manipulation without touching’ was referring to a feint or a flinch or some kind that might cause your opponent to react in a common way.[/QUOTE]

Really? That’s what you got out of this:

“Legends tell of an amazing martial ability that allowed an internal
martial art master to control the movements of his enemy with the
lightest of touch and in come cases without touching him at all.”

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[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1046645]Really? That’s what you got out of this:

“Legends tell of an amazing martial ability that allowed an internal
martial art master to control the movements of his enemy with the
lightest of touch and in come cases without touching him at all.”[/QUOTE]

What else could it be?:confused:

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[QUOTE=IronWeasel;1046654]What else could it be?:confused:[/QUOTE]

LOL… Sounds good to me.

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[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1046495]The million dollar challenge is a fraud perpetuated by and for morons who mistake themselves for the intellectual elite.

Not sure what your link is meant to show because the writing is non-sensical.

According to wikipedia 1000 people have taken the Randi challenge, all agreed to the conditions of the test beforehand and NONE have passed. [/QUOTE]

How unfortunate that the writings of a PhD who has spent years investigating his subject, are incomprehensible to you. And yet somehow, you feel competent to dispute them.

Maybe he does have martial skill, but WTF does that have to do with supernatural powers?

Wouldn’t it be nice if someone offered to explain the connection as they see it, with personal hands-on demonstrations? Like in a seminar for example? Oh wait…

[QUOTE=MysteriousPower;1046496]If you were paying attention to anything else besides how cool you felt while posstong you would have noticed that I was not talking about fighting. I asked that either John or Dale DEMONSTRATE magical magnetic skills on a real resisting opponent in a way that does not look like kickboxing. [/QUOTE]

So are you personally competent to offer real resistance, or aren’t you? It sounds like the answer is no: you are not competent. Meaning you don’t actually know what “real resistance” means, and just want his videos to match the other favorite martial arts videos which form the basis of your expertise.

They are the ones claiming to be able to manipulate peoples’ nervous systems…and you are questioning me?

I like to see wannabe Internet bullies get their comeuppance. It’s a character flaw, I know.

You reposted someone else’s thread here hoping to score an easy point, and you failed miserably. If you want quick satisfaction, let me suggest you return to the Ron Jeremy videos and leave the Kung Fu alone.

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[QUOTE=MartialDev;1046667]
Wouldn’t it be nice if someone offered to explain the connection as they see it, with personal hands-on demonstrations? Like in a seminar for example? Oh wait…[/QUOTE]

Let’s see, this stuff has supposedly been around for centuries. Yet in all that time not one single person has stepped up and demonstrated this in a live competitive activity such as MMA, BJJ, judo, Sambo, boxing, muay thai, kickboxing or any of the other full contact competitions that have been around for the last 70 years or so.

You’d think with all these ongoing seminars teaching all this stuff, SOMEBODY would have actually demonstrated it in an open, competitive environment.

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You reposted someone else’s thread here hoping to score an easy point, and you failed miserably. If you want quick satisfaction, let me suggest you return to the Ron Jeremy videos and leave the Kung Fu alone.

LMAO!

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[QUOTE=MartialDev;1046667]How unfortunate that the writings of a PhD who has spent years investigating his subject, are incomprehensible to you. And yet somehow, you feel competent to dispute them.

Wouldn’t it be nice if someone offered to explain the connection as they see it, with personal hands-on demonstrations? Like in a seminar for example? Oh wait…

So are you personally competent to offer real resistance, or aren’t you? It sounds like the answer is no: you are not competent. Meaning you don’t actually know what “real resistance” means, and just want his videos to match the other favorite martial arts videos which form the basis of your expertise.

I like to see wannabe Internet bullies get their comeuppance. It’s a character flaw, I know.

You reposted someone else’s thread here hoping to score an easy point, and you failed miserably. If you want quick satisfaction, let me suggest you return to the Ron Jeremy videos and leave the Kung Fu alone.[/QUOTE]

No, martialdev. I scored major points. You and tentigers are the only two to refute my great thread. You always appear 7 pages too late to fight back. You will not post again for 7 more pages so I will talk with you then.

Tentigers,
For the record I enjoy most of your posts accept for the ones filled with hillarcky and the ones where you are too politically correct.

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[QUOTE=MartialDev;1046667]How unfortunate that the writings of a PhD who has spent years investigating his subject, are incomprehensible to you. And yet somehow, you feel competent to dispute them. [/quote]

I interview PhDs for a living…and some of them, actually most of them, are horrible communicators or I wouldn’t be employed. You can be the most brilliant person in the world but if you can’t communicate your ideas effectively then what? Your link proves nothing.

Wouldn’t it be nice if someone offered to explain the connection as they see it, with personal hands-on demonstrations? Like in a seminar for example? Oh wait…

If you’re making claims that you can heat up objects without touching them, they you’re violating everything we know about how the world works…through science. I’m willing to accept claims that would at least fit into some kind of scientific frame but come on.

If this guy can really shoot 200 degree heat out of his palms then why aren’t his hands burned? His hands, like yours and mine are made up of cells that have a certain temperature they can withstand.

Its bogus…

EO