Hello, my Sifu has a university degree in biology, has studied martial arts for over thirty years, is a lineage holder and is not someone I would ever mess with. He has told me I can weight train if I want, but that it doesn’t add much to the kung fu practice and may disrupt some of hte training. Seeing as how the style he teaches is very systematic and comprehensive, I, as I learn more, see less and less of a reason to weight train. A complete martial art will cover the necessary strengthing requirements for combat. IF you desire something else then you should weight train.
Kung fu is very complete, it covers your whole body and trains it in a unison, many weight lifting exercises are single joint or closed chain exercises that incorporate very little complete body action.
I find that if your kung fu is lacking, then you either need to train harder or find another style, but at least give it some time to blossom because you may find that the grass is not always greener…
i know more about weight lifting then most do about martial arts in comparison, i weigh about 145 and yesterday i did a clean and jerk with about 130, id say you need a decent amount of weightlifting knowlrdge to pull that off, no?
but was that with or without using your Qi?
Dude don’t even bother arguing with spiraler. He has been corrected by us all and will hate us forever.
im not to sure when im actually using qi, i can only feel it when i meditate on it,though it doesnt make me noticeably stronger, i dont really know how to apply it just yet for fighting.
that was actually quite funny.
I’d consider myself an intermediate lifter, with intermediate knowledge. I can Clean and Jerk about 10% over my bodyweight, with no formal training. You are making blanket statements about weightlifting. Enough to imply that you know more than experts in the subject. You should have come here with an open mind and learned about other people’s points of view and experiences, instead of coming here and trying to lecture us.
Here’s lesson one: weightlifting <> bodybuilding. Using Arnold S. as an example, and I mean no disrespect to him, shows that you don’t understand lesson one. Lesson one is not debatable. Once we agree on this then discussion can proceed.
when did i ever imply i knew anything about weightlifting? i said i knew enough to do a clean and jerk with 130 pounds, something that ive never done before, and judging by how easy it was, i would probably be able to lift over 10% of my bodyweight also, and whos lecturing? im simply stating my opinion, if you do not agree, then we can argue if you like. thats the beauty of this forum.
well he was mr olympia… isnt that what you muscle heads strive to achieve, one more thing, do you believe in the use of anabolic steroids
i would love to hear any info or advice that you can give me, i doubt that it will be anything thaT I DONT KNOW ALREADY THOUGH, THERE ISNT MUCH TO WEIGHTLIFTING AND PHYSIOLOGY BESIDES COMMON SENSE AND BODY AWARENESS
Spiraler ‘writes’:
okay mister instructor. for the record im 20, ive been in countless street fights, and ill tell you this “sir” hitting a bag, runnung bla bla bla will help you learn, but nothing can substitute the knowledge and experience you gain from a real or simulated fight.
Ah, so that’s what this meant?
heres another myth, if i lift weights and hit a punching bag and eat creatine and run on a treadmill, i can fight.wrong.
In case you failed to notice, this this the Strength and Conditioning forum. These things are necessary forms of S&C for fighting (well, not the creatine, though the recovery is sweet).
that was the point that i was trying to make…“sir”. and i dont know who youre calling kid. id slap you if you said that to my face.
That would be true f*ckin’ comedy.
Go to Bullshido little troll-boy, go. . .
Andrew
you fit the description of troll better. tell me “sir” have you ever been in a real fight? i bet you havent,(no im not talking elementary school). why did you take up ma? cuz you were scared? i bet. getting jacked by the local gangsters i bet, probably because you thought you were cool because you know “karate”. and for the record, i dont think you know a goddam thing about martial arts let alone been an instructor "sir"so you could save your little 2 bit remarks. “sir”. ps ill whoop your old asz. pps, keep it up with the plyos… girlie.
****.
Though I had intended this thread as partial troll bait, I had also the purpose of using it to help give a bit more exposure of proper resistance training to the more sheltered or less experienced.
To do this, it is often necessary to sacrifice the trolls and the adamantly ignorant [who tend to state that they don’t care if they’re right or wrong] to bring about a more correct season.
Spiraler, I had thought you another “internalist” who despised weight training because of inhereted dogma from your instructor. I was wrong.
You are a willful troll who seeks only to propagate your strange belief system in a destructive and purposefully distracting manner.
If anyone thinks there was anything of value in the thread, go ahead and copy it. I’m going to delete this thread here in a minute or three. Though I am fond of the occassional troll, allowing it to grow this much is irresponsible.
ummm…you suck dude.and…oh yeah, you swallow too. otot poot oh yeah… and youre a cumquat, and for the record…I AM THE EVIL AKUMA.
^ Banned.
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godam ironfist, you get on my FREAKIN NERVES!!!
btw, progress is largely dependent upon genetics. Your muscles don’t care what your mind knows. Joe Schmoe who happens to have good genes for strength could never know anything about physiology and still outlift Dr. John Doe who knows everything.
Some of us with less than ideal genetics want to learn everything we can to give us every possible edge.
Again, you demonstrate a lack of critical thinking ability.
At any rate, this is why accomplishments are not indicative of strength. If Mr. Olympia talks about training his upper or lower abs he’s still wrong, even if he’s Mr. Olympia.
Yeah, I get annoyed when I’m proven wrong again and again, too.
man…you and your annoying asz scientific bull, someday youre great scientific system is gonna end up blowing up in your face. MARTIAL ARTS IS MORE THAN PUMPING IRON! FOR GODS SAKE!you tell me who beatkent shamrocks asz? royce gracie, puny… weak …skinny…immensly skilled martial artist…yeeeaaah, whacha got to say about that, iron twig?