Hey Shuai Chiao men, Judokas, and wrestlers—
I’m having some difficulty when I’m fighting for grips for my throws. Either I tend to telegraph what throw I’m going to use by straining for a specific grip or I play a primarily defensive game. I can’t win based on pure strength because I’m the smaller wrestler, so what tips can I pick up to help me hide my intention AND still use the grip I want for my throws?
What grip are you trying to get?
try distracting from the intended grip with something else.
I’ve been fooled a lot by a couple of judoka, there I am fighting off something then suddenly I can’t breathe:)
I’m gonna just lurk here since I have no real clue on grip stuff.
Sounds interesting, tho.
see if you can pull of the same technique with a different grip. Also, be sure to stay loose. Maybe find another technique that will set up and distract them for what you want to use. For example, I love to attack with hiza guruma and also with harai ghoshi. hiza guruma (knee wheel) pulls the opponent forward and usually leaves him with most of his weight on the leg that I am attacking. That sets right up for the harai goshi (sweeping hip). I can alter my lapel grip and go right into the technique.
As far as playing defensive goes, nothing wrong with that. If you can break one of his grips and then attack him, then for a brief second, you will have two hands on him, while he only has one on you - a disadvantage for him. attack him then.
Play with different grips and see which ones you are comfy with for that technique. A drill we do in judo is well, grip fighting (kumi kata) you fight for the grip you want, while disallowing your partner to establish his. After several minutes of that, we add the throws in.
Originally posted by Merryprankster
What grip are you trying to get?
Well, the grips that work best for me (so far) are the plumb, double underhooks, and sometimes collar-and-elbow. The plumb is my main grip so, I’m getting a bit predictable, I guess.
Originally posted by SevenStar
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As far as playing defensive goes, nothing wrong with that. If you can break one of his grips and then attack him, then for a brief second, you will have two hands on him, while he only has one on you - a disadvantage for him. attack him then.
Play with different grips and see which ones you are comfy with for that technique. A drill we do in judo is well, grip fighting (kumi kata) you fight for the grip you want, while disallowing your partner to establish his. After several minutes of that, we add the throws in. [/B]
Interesting. That sounds like a great drill.
can you do the same throw with only one hand on the crown of his head and the other on his elbow?
drill, drill, spar, drill, drill, spar, etc, etc 
the plumb
This sounds dumb.. but which one is that?
CrippledAvenger, are you using the plumb clinch for striking purposes?
Regarding double underhooks… have you heard of the swim drill?
“This sounds dumb.. but which one is that?”
Both hands behind opponents head, elbows in chest… great for kneeing opponent
Both hands behind opponents head, elbows in chest
well put TW. Many people mistakenly refer to it as a neck clinch when in fact you want to cup your palms at the base of the skull and keep your elbows down.
This clinch is a great clinch for striking (practice your “pummeling” drill) but not that good for setting up throws,save a foot/knee block or a steering wheel..
transfer to a head/overhook and you’ll see a difference in control.
OK…
thanks…
I’m still learning all of these terms.
We’ve used that in transition to a throw in a few variations of a hip throw (my fav. where you get in behind the person).
plumb,
take left arm to underhook while stepping in with right and turn (with a leg hook, or a good turn that will produce the positioning of a leg hook)…
or something like that.
it’s been my experience that an underhook (or two) work better for hip throws than do overhooks, because they give you the control that will help “lift” your opponent while you get under him.
well put TW. Many people mistakenly refer to it as a neck clinch when in fact you want to cup your palms at the base of the skull and keep your elbows down
Yeah, I’ve seen it call the “Thai Neck Clinch” and different ways to do it. I generally like the locking of the hands (cup together, keep thumbs with fingers) versus interlocking fingers (i think Vanderlei does this) but haven’t used it in striking or much in grappling so my opinion is worthless
by the way I searched for “plumb clinch” in google and got 1 pokemon page
is it plum, not plumb?
It’s ‘prumb’
I’m not talking about the engrish translation 
WD-- You’ve got mail, bro.
ST00-- I like that grip for setting up a footsweep/reap combo because of the head control. It helps me get more of my opponent’s weight on the leg I’m sweeping or reaping. That said, maybe there’s a more optimal grip for that situation that I’m unaware of.
Perhaps some discussion on basic grips is in order? :o
Originally posted by SevenStar
can you do the same throw with only one hand on the crown of his head and the other on his elbow?
Hmm.. Not sure. If WD is willing, maybe I’ll play around a bit with that later this week.
Whoa, okay, I thought this thread was going to be all about how to hold on to a gi. I remember reading here or there or some other place about some ways of grabbing gis getting banned in Judo, because they were causing too many losses by Japanese fighters - I think it was turks or russians who had the banned grips.
Carry on.