The Who were YMs 4 students thread got me interested.... Who is this Lok Yiu guy? All I know is that he was one of YMs first students, hes dubbed king of the pole and thats all.
I heard he was put in a wheel chair and therefore couldnt teach W.C any more but Urban Tea says that he often goes to watch his son teach in HK.
So could urban Tea or anyone tell me:
What foot work he uses
Whether he uses forward pressure
The structure of his/sons classes are
What his focus is in WC (I believe every sifu/lineage has a different focus)
…and anything else that is unique or different about him or his W.C
Any stories (based on reality or not)
If anyone could answer any of those questions I would be very happy.
PS Urban Tea: Have you seen their SNT how is it different from TST`s SNT?
My teache0 Alan Lee first started his wing chun training under Lok Yiu, the second student of YIp Man, if you email him maybe he will shared some personal stories about him. He told me some, but i don’t think it right for me to speak about his personal experience of his first sifu.
Leung Sheung and Lok Yiu did pretty well in open matches back in the days. Lok Yiu believed in building the basics. He had a very strong horse and tan sao from what I heard.
How are u my friend.
Some advice.
Do not listen to all u hear (including me/us).
Stop chasing the golden glo and get practising ( I know you )
Do not be offended that will also get you nowhere.
opps. my mistake. me bad typer, lol. Yes, they pretty well. Duncan Leung and my sifu has mentioned that his seniors Leung Sheung and Lok yiu did well in matches.
Hey Gaz
How are things? Hows the bun in the oven? Is it still happening?
Well last week we had the baby, it was a boy and pretty healthy. Cause there are no painkillers in this country my wife had to do the whole natural thing…PAIN
Well theres not much for me to do here at work. So my job basically consists of trying to look busy while doing jack sh!t. I spend alot of time on the internet that helps, or study Japanese. Cant really practice snt in the middle of the office but sometimes I go off to the bathroom for a sneeky SNT, although there isnt enough room for Fak Sau.
Whats the golden glo? Is that the thing off that movie the last dragon with that Black guy who played Learoy Brown and at the end he was fighting the bad guy and he was getting his butt kicked and then he say I am the Master and he starts glowing with a gold colour?
Anyway Ill send you a proper email soon.
PS Whats with the sad face next to the hello? Have you read the book yet? Does your email have doghouse in the front followed by the rest?
Lok Yiu is not so mysteriuos as you may think. He is well known in hong kong and his approach is similar to Leung Sheungs.
A little different from Kenneth Chung’s but more in line with the other Leung Sheung students in Hong Kong - but circle around the same concepts.
Feeding punches is one of them. The sifu would feed the student with punches, high and low. He would say, “Pak, pak, gan, Jut sau” to teach the student forward stepping and the sequences of hands.
His approach is not necessary “soft” or hard. It is soft in a sense that the biceps are relaxed and tension is not present in the shoulders.
His son has taken over the class in hk and Lok Yiu drops in once in awhile to check it out.
That’s all I know. I hope to meet him one day and have him whip my as5.
My SiFu, Allan Che Kong Lee has told me many stories about his first SiFu Lok Yiu. He told me that Yip Man himself felt that Lok Yiu’s skill and understanding in chi sau was extraordinary. I was also told of his skill with the pole, as well as the strength and speed of his horse. I hope to meet him someday.
My sifu (over 20 years of experience in Wing Chun, 9 yrs with Wong Shun Leung) has had the privilege of meeting him and working with him, and he says Lok Yiu is very, VERY good. He says if you try to hit him, it’s like hitting the air (i.e. there’s nothing there), and if he hits you, it’s like a ton of bricks falling on you.
Besides, Lok Yiu is one of Yip Man’s “Top four” (WSL, LS, TST, LY), he is/was president of VTAA, he was a challenger for Yip Man’s school, he was martial arts consultant for Hong Kong Police… but most importantly, he’s turning 80, two heart surgeries, and, because of his supreme WC skill, he still kicks as5.
Thanks for the info guys
Quiet man: From your discription of your sifus experience, I wonder if lok Yiu uses forward pressure in his Chi Sau. Would you also know if he uses 50/50 weighting? How similar did your sifu say his approach was compared to his WSL training?
Every time anyone asks a question about Lok Yiu the tread usually goes dead so I figure this must be because he mostly taught privately, so therefore doesnt have as big a following as all the other lineages that post on this forum. In any case its good to get even a little information on him.
Originally posted by Miles Teg
[B]Thanks for the info guys
Quiet man: From your discription of your sifus experience, I wonder if lok Yiu uses forward pressure in his Chi Sau. Would you also know if he uses 50/50 weighting? How similar did your sifu say his approach was compared to his WSL training?
Every time anyone asks a question about Lok Yiu the tread usually goes dead so I figure this must be because he mostly taught privately, so therefore doesnt have as big a following as all the other lineages that post on this forum. In any case its good to get even a little information on him. [/B]
It seems Lok Yiu is rather private, so perhaps the lack of talking about him is in keeping with that.
My sifu has also met Lok Yiu, and has had the privilege to visit with him. Here are some of my impressions, and please note they are mainly just that, and little more.
I have the impression that Lok Yiu tends to reserve his exchange of hands for those studying under him. Despite past or present health issues, there was no mention of a wheelchair or any such restriction. His knowledge and hands are indeed very high, and I believe Lok Yiu himself would confidently confirm such. His perspectives and approach to Wing Chun appear to be highly congruent with that of his early peers under Ip Man (most notably Leung Sheung, Tsui Sheung Tin, Wong Shun Leung, and presumably Yip Bo Ching).
My memory for details wanes, but I believe there are some students under Lok Yiu in Europe as well as Hong Kong, and quite possibly a group somewhere in North America now. So, as with the other early Hong Kong students, there are pockets of practice, which seem to be on the increase or at least more in public view. My apologies for not remembering specifics, though something might pop up on a web search.
Miles: as for your “technical” questions (Chi Sao pressure, weight distribution…), i can’t answer that, because my sifu doesn’t talk and I don’t ask - we believe that if you want to know something about somebody’s teaching methods, you should go and ask that person. But, for info on LY, you might try these sites: http://www.vingtsun.org.hk/ http://www.elywcimaa.com/
As for comparison between LY and WSL, my sifu always says that there’s only one WCKF - the original one, but the people may differ. WSL was perhaps more famous, because he fought more. He thought Beimo was the most important test for WC practitioners, and, according to my sifu, his WC was simple, efficient, straight-forward and very much lethal :). Lok Yiu, on the other hand, didn’t fight that much, and isn’t so “combat orientated”. But they both received the same WC from Yip Man, and that’s what’s it all about.
From what I’ve heard, Lok Yiu doesn’t advertize at all (very few HK masters do), and perhaps that’s why he so “unknown”.
Originally posted by yuanfen kj- thanks for sharing that great shot of Lok Yiu and Ken.
Glad to share it, Joy. I neglected to mention that the photo is posted courtesy of the owner, Tom Tang. There is another with Lon Gi; I’ll try to post that one on the old thread if I can find it as well.
I hope that we can get some reports on how the opening ceremonies went.
joy
