i wasn’t saying anything bad about that clip or about anybody i think you just took it rong iam not being a **** or trying to talk like iam the best i was just shareing the kind of training i did ..
i plan to vist the states soon i would like to come and meet you and see what you do ..i like to meet anybody that is in m.a
Knifefighter,
You are a tool.
I know the school that HSKWarrior is from, and I have a good idea what school Golden Arms is from. I can guarantee that anyone who has been training at their schools for more than a few years will have a good handle on fighting. If they gave me criticism on my performance I would accept it and try to improve myself. Fu Pows video was less than impressive, even for a medium contact tournament. The sweeps lacked proper timing or distancing. Kicking was almost nonexistent, and his jab cross combo was slow.
I am a full contact fighter btw, competing in IKF kickboxing, as well as 2 minute domination.
[QUOTE=Psycho Mantis;744090]
I am a full contact fighter btw, competing in IKF kickboxing, as well as 2 minute domination.[/QUOTE]
This???
Point Kickboxing?
IKF
POINT KICKBOXING©
RULES::
CONTACT
Semi-contact only.
HAND & FOOT STRIKES to the HEAD are not allowed to make more than “TOUCH” or “SLAP” contact. If contact is STRONGER than a Touch or a slap of the foot, according to the Official IKF Ring Referee or the IKF Ringside Representative, the striking fighter may be penalized by points or disqualified.
No *Knockouts allowed. Any Knockout will result in Disqualification of the striker. *There are some exceptions to a person stopping or faking a knockout. This circumstance shall be determined by the Official IKF Ring Referee or the IKF Ringside Representative. Together, they will determine the reason for the stoppage and designate the winner.
No kicks or punches in the back spine area, groin or knee joints.
Faking and, or over exaggerating a blow will be closely monitored.
EQUIPMENT
MANDATORY Safety Equipment Required for ALL IKF POINT KICKBOXING© MATCHES;
Mouth Piece
Headgear
Groin Cup
Foot Pads
Shin Pads
All fighters wear IKF APPROVED boxing gloves.
================================================
All that equipment and you are fighting SEMI-CONTACT with no KO’s allowed…
Bwhwhahahahaaaaa…
And you are putting down FP’s match.
You guys never cease to amaze me.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;744095]Since you are criticizing his video and you (supposedly) fight regularly, there must be clips of yourself you could point me to to show how you do it better than he does.
Where is the video of you doing it better?[/QUOTE]
There isn’t any.
Not everyone in this world puts their stuff on youtube.
go to http://www.akpromotions.org/Up%20Coming%20Events.htm
Read up on the fights, see how many you can find online. Not many I’m guessing.
I fight no headgear international rules. 10 oz gloves.
Wheres your video?
[QUOTE=Psycho Mantis;744090]
I am a full contact fighter btw, competing in IKF kickboxing, as well as 2 minute domination.[/QUOTE]
This???
Point Kickboxing?
With these rules???
==================================================
IKF
POINT KICKBOXING
RULES::
CONTACT
Semi-contact only.
HAND & FOOT STRIKES to the HEAD are not allowed to make more than “TOUCH” or “SLAP” contact.
If contact is STRONGER than a Touch or a slap of the foot, according to the Official IKF Ring Referee or the IKF Ringside Representative, the striking fighter may be penalized by points or disqualified.
No *Knockouts allowed.
Any Knockout will result in Disqualification of the striker. *There are some exceptions to a person stopping or faking a knockout. This circumstance shall be determined by the Official IKF Ring Referee or the IKF Ringside Representative. Together, they will determine the reason for the stoppage and designate the winner.
No kicks or punches in the back spine area, groin or knee joints.
Faking and, or over exaggerating a blow will be closely monitored.
EQUIPMENT
MANDATORY Safety Equipment Required for ALL IKF POINT KICKBOXING MATCHES;
Mouth Piece
Headgear
Groin Cup
Foot Pads
Shin Pads
All fighters wear IKF APPROVED boxing gloves.
IKFPOINT KICKBOXING FAQ’s:
-Will you let some pretty hard contact occur to the body?
Only Semi Contact is allowed. ( HEAD OR BODY) and contact is strictly enforced!
-Soft leg kicks?
Yes. Remember, you can only win on points not TKO’S or KO’S.
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All that equipment and you are fighting SEMI-CONTACT with no KO’s allowed…
Bwhwhahahahaaaaa…
And you are putting down FP’s match.
You guys never cease to amaze me
[QUOTE=Psycho Mantis;744098]Wheres your video?[/QUOTE]
I agree with knifefighter. We can criticize my performance because we can see it. I was happy with some things and not happy with others. The problem is that often what we see someone do looks easy, but we don’t understand the effort involved.
For example, if you’ve ever watched the olympics the competitors make it look easy. We start judging them on the little things that separate one from the other. “Hey that gymnast lifted his back foot as he made that landing” we say…well most of us couldn’t even get into the air off the vault!!! We don’t give enough credit to the people that even made it to the olympics, that trained hard and took a risk and put themselves out there.
I don’t think that there was anything glaringly bad about my performance. If anything I think it shows my understanding of fighting fundamentals (based on what I was allowed to use in this context.) I am not, nor have I ever been a world-class athlete but I think that day that I went out and represented myself and my many years of training very well. We all have things that we can work on and improve.
So I agree with Knifefighter and I say to people that if you want to sit and nit pick on the little things, then lets see how you can do it better…put some visual evidence where your mouth is. If you are so proficient then show us how good you are and how easy you make it look and let us kick back in our computer chairs and tell you how you should have done this or that. Let’s switch roles and we can be the Monday morning quarterbacks and the backseat drivers.
Otherwise you should just keep quiet and enjoy the show.
BTW, I am in no way cutting on those people who offered genuine criticisms and advice. It is appreciated. My problem is with those who claim that they can do “better” and yet offer no evidence to back up those claims.
FP
P.S.
Golden Arms, I am in Seattle, so let me know whenever you want to meet up and play…in the spirit of learning, of course.
FP
nice job man. you went out there, fought with thier rules, and came out on top. well at least in that match. you controled your oponent well and didnt let him get the upper hand even once. thats the objective. to win. and we cant win them all, but you won that one. gj
regardless of who is better or who is worse, we are all where we are. thats it.
you are where you are and doin your thing.
i give props
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;744108]
IKF
POINT KICKBOXING
RULES::
CONTACT
Semi-contact only.
HAND & FOOT STRIKES to the HEAD are not allowed to make more than “TOUCH” or “SLAP” contact.
If contact is STRONGER than a Touch or a slap of the foot, according to the Official IKF Ring Referee or the IKF Ringside Representative, the striking fighter may be penalized by points or disqualified.
No *Knockouts allowed.
Any Knockout will result in Disqualification of the striker. *There are some exceptions to a person stopping or faking a knockout. This circumstance shall be determined by the Official IKF Ring Referee or the IKF Ringside Representative. Together, they will determine the reason for the stoppage and designate the winner.
No kicks or punches in the back spine area, groin or knee joints.
Faking and, or over exaggerating a blow will be closely monitored.
EQUIPMENT
MANDATORY Safety Equipment Required for ALL IKF POINT KICKBOXING MATCHES;
Mouth Piece
Headgear
Groin Cup
Foot Pads
Shin Pads
All fighters wear IKF APPROVED boxing gloves.[/QUOTE]
Those are the “POINT KICKBOXING” Rules, which I don’t compete under. My students do, until they can get enough experience to fight full contact.
My rules are located here:
http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/RulesIR.htm
Notice the optional headgear rule located here:
http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/HeadgearOption.htm
(this page says 12 oz. gloves for heavyweights, but we used 10’s last time I fought)
and knockout rules here:
http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/RulesGeneral.htm
As I said before, full contact, knockouts allowed, no headgear, 10 oz gloves. No elbows, knees to the body.
[QUOTE=Psycho Mantis;744120]Those are the “POINT KICKBOXING” Rules, which I don’t compete under. My students do, until they can get enough experience to fight full contact.
My rules are located here:
http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/RulesIR.htm
Notice the optional headgear rule located here:
http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/HeadgearOption.htm
(this page says 12 oz. gloves for heavyweights, but we used 10’s last time I fought)
and knockout rules here:
http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/RulesGeneral.htm
As I said before, full contact, knockouts allowed, no headgear, 10 oz gloves. No elbows, knees to the body.[/QUOTE]
Let’s see… these are sanctioned, promoted events with pre-show ticket sales.
But, amazingly, there is no video in a modern event like this.
Wow! Must be the only event being held in the U.S. where there is no video being recorded.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;744111]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwLFeIqjQ3Q[/QUOTE]
Thats cool, KF. I liked that video. Judging from your experience, it should also be blatantly obvious to you that Fu-Pows fight wasn’t up to snuff for someone with 13 years of practice.
Let’s see… these are sanctioned, promoted events with pre-show ticket sales.
But, amazingly, there is no video in a modern event like this.
Wow! Must be the only event being held in the U.S. where there is no video being recorded.
There is video for these events, they had them for sale online after my last fight, but it looks like they took the link down. If you would look at some of the fighters competing you will notice Eric “The Hitman” Reagan, Otis “OG” Griffin (winner of “the next great champ” reality show), as well as a number of fighters from John Hacklemans gym (he trains Liddell in case your not up to speed), and the American Kickboxing Academy (traners of Josh Koscheck and Cung Le). Not to mention all of the other top fighting academys in California and across the country. The IKF is the biggest organization in the country for amateur kickboxing.
I actually found some youtube stuff for the IKF, some of this is headgear, some isn’t.
http://youtube.com/results?search_query=ikf+kickboxing&search=Search
The taller guy in this vid is my student (8 months experience)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8PRuWbyJAa8
Here he is again (red headgear)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=5tmS5aW8TD8
same fight
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BjOZx5AblJI
The shorter guy in the white tank is my student (1 year experience)
http://youtube.com/watch?v=S6_fcM3slNc
I apologize for the poor quality of video, I didn’t take it.
[QUOTE=Psycho Mantis;744123]Thats cool, KF. I liked that video. Judging from your experience, it should also be blatantly obvious to you that Fu-Pows fight wasn’t up to snuff for someone with 13 years of practice.[/QUOTE]
It’s hard to tell whether or not someone can actually fight based on a less than full contact match My point isn’t whether or not he can fight, since it is hard to tell based on that match (although it looks like he did pretty much dominate another “advanced” kung fu guy in that particular setting).
It is the guys (hskwarrior and shadow skill, in particular) who are pretend fantasy fighters with whom I take issue. Their only experience is with jumping around like dying bugs and doing folk dancing… yet they criticize his technique against an opponent when they have no experience with this of their own.
Less than full contact is a game of it’s own. It’s hard not to look silly when you are playing tag. Full contact looks silly enough - but ‘touch’ fighting is very hard to switch to if you used to more… authentic experiences.
[QUOTE=Psycho Mantis;744090]Knifefighter,
You are a tool.
I know the school that HSKWarrior is from, and I have a good idea what school Golden Arms is from. I can guarantee that anyone who has been training at their schools for more than a few years will have a good handle on fighting. If they gave me criticism on my performance I would accept it and try to improve myself. Fu Pows video was less than impressive, even for a medium contact tournament. The sweeps lacked proper timing or distancing. Kicking was almost nonexistent, and his jab cross combo was slow.
I am a full contact fighter btw, competing in IKF kickboxing, as well as 2 minute domination.[/QUOTE]
he’s not being a tool. What he is saying is that regardless of what you think of the fight, fu pow put footage of himself out there for all to see. Then guys who have no such footage of themselves talk about what good fighters they are, but have no footage to post - which is fine - not everyone has footage of themselves. However, if you aren’t putting anything out there, you shouldn’t be criticizing those who do. Hell, KF is usually the one knocking ALL of you guys, but you see his respect level for fu pow kicked up a notch, because now, after all of fu pow’s talking, he put up a vid of himself. As a fighter, he respects the fact that fu pow fought in something. You would think that a big, “full contact, 2 minute domination” fighter like yourself would have the same respect. Constructive criticism is one thing, but what you guys are doing is entirely different.
KF has always been a very forward and sometimes rude guy.
but over all, he just represents realism. i say hes a good element to have around here, even if everyone doesnt always get along with him.
no one is right about everything.
except gene and his d@mn nacho cheese.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;744137]he’s not being a tool. What he is saying is that regardless of what you think of the fight, fu pow put footage of himself out there for all to see. Then guys who have no such footage of themselves talk about what good fighters they are, but have no footage to post - which is fine - not everyone has footage of themselves. However, if you aren’t putting anything out there, you shouldn’t be criticizing those who do. Hell, KF is usually the one knocking ALL of you guys, but you see his respect level for fu pow kicked up a notch, because now, after all of fu pow’s talking, he put up a vid of himself. As a fighter, he respects the fact that fu pow fought in something. You would think that a big, “full contact, 2 minute domination” fighter like yourself would have the same respect. Constructive criticism is one thing, but what you guys are doing is entirely different.[/QUOTE]
This is all I said in regards to Fu Pow’s skill
“Fu Pows video was less than impressive, even for a medium contact tournament. The sweeps lacked proper timing or distancing. Kicking was almost nonexistent, and his jab cross combo was slow.”
What I said is constructive criticism from what I can see.
I do give him props for putting it out there.
I have no quarrel with KF either way, it just irked me that he is clowning on HSK and Goldenarms who both come from highly respected backgrounds, if anyone would care to do the research. I have competed against people from HSK’s school, and I know people in Goldenarms lineage, and both schools are highly respected in the kung fu community.
KF is not usually knocking me anyway, this is only my 7th post here.
[QUOTE=Psycho Mantis;744123]Thats cool, KF. I liked that video. Judging from your experience, it should also be blatantly obvious to you that Fu-Pows fight wasn’t up to snuff for someone with 13 years of practice.[/quote]
Ok, then show us some of your fights with your “X” number of years of experience. Show us you “up to snuff” in a similar format, under similar rules. Otherwise your words ring empty.
P.S. These students of 8 months to 1 year they look like 8 months to 1 year of training. From what I could see from the low quality video, no control, jumping around too much, dropping their hands…very aggressive but no skill…what I’d expect out of beginners…what is this supposed to represent? Also, it looks like its in a karate school, is that supposed to be a tournament?
P.S.S.
You are not your students. Training students is not the same as getting in the ring yourself. There are plenty of teachers that have never competed in a tournament that have students who do.
[QUOTE=Psycho Mantis;744141]
I have no quarrel with KF either way, it just irked me that he is clowning on HSK and Goldenarms who both come from highly respected backgrounds, if anyone would care to do the research. I have competed against people from HSK’s school, and I know people in Goldenarms lineage, and both schools are highly respected in the kung fu community.
KF is not usually knocking me anyway, this is only my 7th post here.[/QUOTE]
Pardon me but “**** respect.” There are plenty of “well-respected” schools that put out students that can’t fight there way out of wet paper bag. There “respected” because their Sifu’s know how intimidate, mind-**** and politicize their way into “the community.” I’m not saying this is true of the schools that Golden Arms and HSK go to but I know more than few “well-respected” schools that are garbage.
My training comes from 3 “well-respected” backgrounds (Lam Sai Wing Hung Ga, Lee Koon Hung Choy Lay Fut and Fenq Zhiqiang’s Hun Yuan Taiji) and, honestly, in this match I relied more on Western Boxing then anything else for my offense.
I’m all about what you see is what you get. If you want to make your point then demonstrate in someway what you can do. Since we’re many miles away from each other we can’t touch hands so video is really the only option.
That’s all I’m going to say on this matter. If you care to continue this…I don’t and I’ll be updating my ignore list in the near future.
Speaking of tools:
Notice how all of the guys who have criticized FP have either only folk dancing, jumping bug clips/pictures or no clips at all.
If you have nothing but dancing bug clips, that’s probably all you do.
got a prob with dancing bug style?
dont make me shed my exoskeleton and come after you!
