How do you tell that your Wing Chun is good Wing Chun? I have asked on an earlier thread about what makes good wingchun, but what do you do or have you done to show your wingchun is good?
Do you do sparring? What sort of sparring? Do you loose your wingchun when you do?
Do you do Chi Sau? Are your hands floppy and loose or relaxed with forward intent and sensitivty?
Do you watch yourself in the mirror? Are your shoulders relaxed, back rounded? Are your knees in and your stance deep? When you turn and shift does your spine stay staight and connected? how about your hands connected to your feet? Are you precise? Are your elbows and arms always covering that centerline? Do they stay close to your body?
Do you sink when you make contact? Does this let you absorb the energy of your opponent when it comes to you, take what comes?
How about SLT? We do it slowly in the Leung sheung Lineage to produce a control over our energy and to develop muscle to help retain our structure when being stressed.
Going back to my last thread is what you do also what you consider good wingchun?
Is the wingchun you practice at even a small fraction of the skill that Yip Man had? Do you think you can get there with what you use now and how you train?
SLT slowly is good, and chi sau is important and fun 
Actually i’m happy to just keep training and developing my understanding of the skill in chi sau or whatever. No real need to ‘prove’ myself as long as i can see my skill improving (and also constantly being humbled by Seniors and Sifu of course ;))
david
How long do you do your SLT Dezhen2001? We do ours for 15-20 minutes.
usually for 30-45mins (ona good day!), the most is an hour+
david
You poor soul…
Why so long? we do ours for like 5 min then do other warm ups.
Dezhen2001- Wow an hour! how deep do you go?
Dragontongue - 5 min is really fast! Have you ever tried to slow it down and really focus on the movements and micro movements?
What portion of it is taking you that long? Are you doing some sections slower than others. For example do you do the first third slow (from fook sau to the side pak) and then the rest as the movements would be done with power and speed. Or do you do the whole if it slow with meditation and breathing?
Very interesting to see how differently others do it.
pvwingchun
" For example do you do the first third slow (from fook sau to the side pak) and then the rest as the movements would be done with power and speed."
If the last part is done with power and speed, wouldn’t you be training a diffrent type of power then the type you are trying to develop through the slow fuk soas?
Apart from the obvouis test like Chi sao and rolling hands, we’re also tested randomally every once in a while well doing SLT, our sifu will stand if front of u and hold(or push against) your tan sao. If you’re relaxed and have good structure and r rooted and what not, it should be like he’s not even there, and just keep doing your SLT, if you have bad WC you’ll end up using muscle and start pushing against his hand, you’re legs will tense and you’ll feel your feet slipping like you have no traction. Anyone can relax, the hard part is staying relaxed when you’re under pressure, and the only way to do that is to have good structure(straight spine, lower and upper body connected ect…).
How does he push on the tan sao? Like which part of the arm does he push on?
IronFist
The 2 powers you work in SLT are the internal and the external. Part of SLT is for developing internal and other parts are for developing external. So yes you would be working 2 different types of power. (As we do it)
Ditto to the ? by IronFist.
so when you’re in a fight, some moves will be your external power, others your internal? that must be confusing.
Besides y would u want any of that weak “external” power, when you could make all your movment have internal power(which we all agree is more powerfull right? just watch a clip of a skinny TST throwing around huge buff guys).
Not at all confusing.
SLT is about training those powers to work together.
r5a - Other than attribute building (which modern research also shows reaches a plateau after a certain amount anyway (ie., sometimes 500 are no better than 100, or are actually worse), I’m not sure that the time really matters. For some, 5 min. might be too much, for others, 50 min. might be too little. The question, IMHO, is “what is your goal and how does the pace you’re doing it at help you achieve that goal?”
BTW- Pushing on the Tan (or any bridge) can be a neat trick but often times people revert to localized muscle to resist, which, IMHO, defeats the purpose. Push on the body (dead center on sternum) if you’re worried about root. If someone pushes on you Tan, you might be better of cutting or leaking through them.
Rgds,
RR
Redangel
You need to stop with these types of posts. YOu just don’t get it do you?
Anyways for SLT…the first section takes the most time. The rest of the form is done at a medium, relaxed speed. I see many people do the last two section like powerful madmen and they shake all over. I don’t agree with that.
Urban Tea, what sort o fpost are you talking about?
RR - How long do you do it? Can you see a reason for doing it a really long time? or in 5 minutes? Just asking.
Well, I don’t know how to test if your wing chun is good - touch hands with a good teacher, and ask them what they think? But I do know how to test to see if your a good fighter - find someone you’d like to compare with, from any style, agree on equipment and rules (safety first!!) and have at it, preferably with someone to watch objectively and give you feedback, as well as being there in case of injury. You may find yourself in a situation in the street or in your home one day, where your fighting ability is tested. But you should not be looking to create such a situation - which is why I believe in sportfighting.
I think you should establish goals, then you will know when you have acheived them. For instance, maybe you have the goal of standing for a certain amout of time on 1 leg, or maybe you have the goal of throwing a certain number of punches in a certain time frame. For instance, one of my goals has been to be able to move a resisting 5’ 9" 240+ pound guy with an airshield back, uprooting him with a front kick. I wasn’t able to do this at first, now finally I can. The mechanics I’m using are Wing Chun, so I know that my Wing Chun has improved.
-FJ
r5a
When we do our qigong combined with the SLT I have taken as long as 45+ minutes. With almost all of that being in the first third.
Normal SLT at normal speed (if there is a normal) nice and relaxed don’t know never timed it would guess 5 minutes.
If they are shaking all over they are not relaxed, and I would say that is not good, although during the first third in conjunction with qigong I will shake and sweat profusely but those are normal qigong reactions.
As for shaking pvwingchun, if your stance is deep you will shake. Leung Sheung was said to have had his students come up to relax when thier legs started shaking, but now we generally wait until our entire body is shaking. Eventually with time you become relaxed and your body stops shaking but if you are holding it deep, it is unavoidable.
Try the stance I have talked about, feet at a 45 degree angle, knees two fingers a part and see how long you can hold them. Also, try this for an extended period of time, say a month and see if your root does not improve.
r5a
I believe that my rooting is good we just did a little experiment to see how strong our stance was. It took 4 guys to uproot me, shifted to one side with frontal pressure on my centerline, and none of them were small all normal sized guys. There is plenty of power in the basic wing chun stance.
The shaking is a normal qigong response and we don’t stand up to prevent the shaking as we believe it dissipates the energy being gathered. The shaking does not happen normally donig the form.
One question what happens when you shift, it would seem that being sunk (knees 2 fingers part) puts your stance too deep when you shift to the side. Trying it here it seems harder to shift when you are that deep, but maybe it is all what you are used to.. We keep our knees a little more than a fist width apart. And our feet are at about 45.