how far is one's SLT training goes?

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how far is one’s SLT training goes?

Can one achieve the state of capable of selecting between beta and alpha brainwave?

will one enter the training state with Beta?
What is the state to be able to cope with Pressure?
If one know how to switch from Beta to Alpha knowingly with SLT training how far can one goes in the path of handling pressure?
how can one develop/cultivate that watcher to know which state one in?

http://www.web-us.com/brainwavesfunction.htm
http://www.tc.unl.edu/stress/Peak%20Acheivement/APA-PAT

PS>
all of these are questions in the MDX modeling building process.

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Hendrik,

Where do we find this mind tuning in SLT? Thanks!

P.S. I was earlier want to talk about Stress Overload method, but on the 2nd thought, perhaps it is another topic.

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The management of stress and development of focus while under stress require incremental exposure thereto while performing the task at which one wishes to succeed.

Performing an MA form does not place one under the stress of fighting. You could learn to do forms well in storms, with loud noises, on a rocky floor, etc., but this will make you a forms expert, not a fighting expert.

Meditation, relaxation drills, visualisation, etc., can allegedly assist in learning to manage stress. Biofeedback could help you learn to control your brain waves, etc. Some experiementers at an Australian university found a way for people to control electrical equipment, at a base level, by putting their brains in a certain state. Facility with this control was gained, not by meditating or doing MA, but by pracvtcing the task at hand and getting feedback from the results. At some time they hope to be able to help quadriplegics, etc. to be able to control more complex machines in such a fashion.

I suggest you look up their work rather than be a non-scientist trying to duplicate it. You (or rather one of your other screen names) have set the precedent in showing that posters (me) have no obligation to answer questions or assist others in understanding, so I’ll leave you to it!

What you are talking about may be possible. I challenge your assumption that doing an MA form at the same time will be a vehicle. I suggest it will be an obstacle.

So why not do the specific mental exercises on their own, instead of complicating the issue with trying to do a form at the same time?

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Originally posted by anerlich

So why not do the specific mental exercises on their own, instead of complicating the issue with trying to do a form at the same time?

Body and mind are one. body can influence mind, mind can influence body. both has to be align (sp/) . sometime, using mind to influence body, and sometimes use body to influece mind, a multi dimentional feedback control system.

awareness is more then mental it is an “all” which include physical body.

in my understanding,
That is how the set being design, it is a multi-dimentional , parallel, adaptive processing control system..

Thus, I have heard,
The most difficult part is about developing the Watcher — for that which is watching and knowing one is in strees and pressuse is beyond stress and pressure. working through and Beyond the Watcher, then Original face is there and reveal, The thoughts with speculation/logic are in one level, the watcher is another, the non-dual is another. that is what the Shao Lin called the unmoveable heart, the always present, the original face, the non dual… etc
similar to peeling onion, layer and layer being peel.

the next is about transcent the physical body, emotion, thoughts, habitual, and conscious, or the five skadals. because even if one “knows” the body, emotion, thoughts, habits, conscious might still react.

One has to be able to “see” what is one’s issue to handle it.

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That is more or less the old training. Body on body. Body on mind. Mind on Body. Unmind on mind. Thanks, Anerlich and Hendrik! You guys just illuminate my light bulb! =)

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I think “mental exercices” will have effects in all activities equally and will surely help in martial arts.I also think that it does have effects when done in a form like SLT but it is more geared for a specific use by being associated to physical motions,without losing any all around general benefits from mental only exercices.
I think biofeedback,zazen,meditation of all kinds have all similar values and effect on the mind/body unit.How we name these things is not very important.

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Originally posted by PaulH
That is more or less the old training. Body on body. Body on mind. Mind on Body. Unmind on mind. Thanks, Anerlich and Hendrik! You guys just illuminate my light bulb! =)

sounds like an orgy :smiley:

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Originally posted by old jong

I think biofeedback,zazen,meditation of all kinds have all similar values and effect on the mind/body unit.How we name these things is not very important.

yup, all has to return to NOW to start.

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Originally posted by old jong
I also think that it does have effects when done in a form like SLT but it is more geared for a specific use by being associated to physical motions,without losing any all around general benefits from mental only exercices.

yup.

Thus, as I heard,

as it said,
to reach a state of ---- Dong Jing Yee Ru ( in madarin), or “moving (dynamicly) and being still (staticaly) is in-different (same)”

with the Unmoveable heart or wisdom as the master. (note: unmoveable heart is beyond the Watcher of the thought, since the watcher still has a subjective of watching something)

The whole “things/ mind/body” transcent into — Ru ru Bu Dong, or Thus Thus immoveable. ( note: thus thus = “as it is”, it is trying to express a multi-dimentional awareness with words. which is a cant be done. so, “” as ‘it’ is “” is used as a symbolic term to communicate /pointing with those who “knows” the ‘it’. Thus thus or “as it is” has no meaning by itself. because this is beyond the realm of thoughts and in the direct intuitive realm ).

It is something multi-dimentional…

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Ernie,

You have got some imagination! =D

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Originally posted by PaulH
[B]Ernie,

You have got some imagination! =D [/B]

by the looks of the post on this thread [ I’M NOT THE ONLY ONE =)]

i keep getting images from ‘’ one flew over the coo coo’s nest ‘’

the men in the white coats are coming to get you :slight_smile:

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Give me liberty or give me death! I hate being a vegetable! =D You fight for me, big brother? =)

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Originally posted by PaulH
Give me liberty or give me death! I hate being a vegetable! =D You fight for me, big brother? =)

i fear it’s to late ,
i think you lost you d*mn mind long ago by reading to many of these rubix cube threads :slight_smile:

but i’m a sucker for a lost cause so i got you back :cool:

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True! I walk on a thin wire, bro. You jumping up and down on one end and Pikachu dancing on the other end of the pole. Balance is never easy. =)

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Originally posted by PaulH
[B]Ernie,

You have got some imagination! =D [/B]

You bet!..It takes some to train a dog as we saw!..:wink:

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Originally posted by old jong
You bet!..It takes some to train a dog as we saw!..:wink:

now OJ
you left yourself wide open for a nasty come back on that one :smiley:

but it would be just to easy like kicking a puppy or beating up chi sau guys :wink:

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sounds like an orgy

Ernie, you are sick :cool: The only orgy I’d involve myself with with Hendrik would be an orgy of destruction. I haven’t been able to watch your pikachu vid yet, but anyone who find them sexually alluring needs to spend time on a nut farm.

Body and mind are one. body can influence mind, mind can influence body.

No sh*t, Sherlock. :rolleyes:

Why is SLT so great for learning to manage brainwaves? Or stress? Why introduce the noise of performing an MA form at the same time as trying to control the mind?

If you wanted to learn to surf, would you try to do so while reciting poetry or solving Fermat’s Last Theorem? Well, YOU might I suppose, and end up a crap surfer.

That is how the set being design, it is a multi-dimentional , parallel, adaptive processing control system..

No it ain’t. At least I don’t think so, most of the above is content-free, meaningless, jargon. Yet another hamfistedly inappropriate cybernetic analogy (YAHICA).

SLT is a means to practice MA techniques, and a rather limited number of attributes, without a partner. WC is a fighting art, not a vehicle to mental or spiritual expansion. If it WERE meant to be the latter, I propose it be scrapped as such, as the empirical success rate is abysmal.

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Ernie, you are sick ,

------------ this has been said to me before :slight_smile:

------------- dude you must see the video and report back i promise you will laugh till you cry

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Originally posted by Ernie
[B]Ernie, you are sick ,

---- dude you must see the video and report back i promise you will laugh till you cry [/B]

That video only reflects your tastes, Ernie.

I didn’t laugh nor cry… what’s so funny? Perhaps I own dogs before, don’t find it surprising.

BTW, I won’t use that video against a friend, honestly.

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Originally posted by yylee
[B]That video only reflects your tastes, Ernie.

I didn’t laugh nor cry… what’s so funny? Perhaps I own dogs before, don’t find it surprising.

BTW, I won’t use that video against a friend, honestly. [/B]

love you too:p

there’s a prude born every minute

OH wait that might be offensive , oops to late said it out loud

get over yourself
:rolleyes: