Kahp Choih is the essential and quintisential power strike in Lama
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;821739]Kahp Choih is the essential and quintisential power strike in Lama[/QUOTE]
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Steeeve knows more about Kaido’s Hop Gar…but the app\s i was shown with an upswingwing motion
say he does right front kick, you shuffle to left leg weighted side bow stance (crane stance) and delfect at (pulls out fitness theory manual 
) the tibia around the ankle with your left forearm pronated and right palm to inside of femur above the pattella with the right wrist joint hyperextended…uno like double tiger claw the bottom claw turns down and upcuts straight to groin…anyway, deflect the kick and right cranes beak and hit the bottom of his chin with the top of your wrist…that is upswing.
buddy does a lead right hand poke with a knife to your guts…from left horse step to the left side and catch the outside of his forearm with your left forearm and with your right grab the top of his knife hand wrist and hold tight…pivot on left foot still in left side fighting horse and right side kick to his right gut or ribs, and left hand wipes outwards counterclockwise, you guide his knife hand to the left with your left!..and as your right side kick steps into right bow behind his right leg ramming his stance you thrust your palm up to his chin and it resembles a stretch punch.
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we got the slick upcut to chin in side cat stance or heel down toe up stance like the mantis stance, and we use the classic supinated hand pow to the gut in twist, horse, bow and crane stance.
We have alot of different ways of delievering the strike, it is a staple of TWC fighting and the second strike most learn. I took one to the chin a couple months back, to this day I am still thankfull my tounge had not been between my teeth and can still hear the clack of my teeth cracking together.
[QUOTE=CaliKF;821702]Is there a corrilation for the sling and cannon? What I mean is we call it cannon fist as well. But I was wondering if the reason for the sling charachter would be because they didn’t have one for that particular word?
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well in my style, cannon fist and throwing fist are different punches
paau choi= cannon fist
pow choi= throwing fist/uppercut
the sound of the 2 characters are very simliar
wong yan lum lin waan saam pauu?
i brought up this discussion because coach ross mentioned this combo in the lama sup ji thread. through i’ve been taught it to “break into the center of the opponent”, ii have been able to land the paau choih as a long uppercut to the chin. i knocked out 200lb ex-marine shuai jiao bro of mine with it after 3 months of training hop ga when we were doing medium-hard sparring with 14oz gloves.
kahp choi’s importance? cannot be denied.
however, the paau choi is often talked about. like how lung wah (my si gong ng yim ming’s disciple in hong kong) was able to lift people up with his paau choi, etc.
however, i was also taught that the application of this move is also often a “feint” for something else. feint if it doesnt land, power shot from hell when it does.
Everybody seem to have the same definition of Paau Choi…a long arms uplifting swing …How we could call a short uppercut(bent arm) strike like the uppercut of a boxing…?
I find really interesting the Lama pai version with the vertical fist …the impact is done with the bending thumb…could you imagine the damage done to the opponent …this version is also interesting if you used it like a block striking to the tricep of the opponentwith the thumb pointing with accuracy …men ouchhhhh
With the arm in vertical fist even the blocking/strike upward could be a hacking
with the edge of the inside forearm
Steeve
[QUOTE=chasincharpchui;821811]well in my style, cannon fist and throwing fist are different punches
paau choi= cannon fist
pow choi= throwing fist/uppercut
the sound of the 2 characters are very simliar[/QUOTE]
Yeah, me too. I thought we were talking about paau choy. I guess scratch what I said if we’re discussing pow.
[QUOTE=Steeeve;821846]
I find really interesting the Lama pai version with the vertical fist …the impact is done with the bending thumb…could you imagine the damage done to the opponent …this version is also interesting if you used it like a block striking to the tricep of the opponentwith the thumb pointing with accuracy …men ouchhhhh
With the arm in vertical fist even the blocking/strike upward could be a hacking
with the edge of the inside forearm
Steeve[/QUOTE]
The bending thumb thing I wanted to speak on here, LOL. You do not want to hit with the thumb like you may think, that is a signature fist for the Tibetan systems but we are not hitting with the thumb joint. With the power generated from the seed fist you will explode the joint(!speaking from experience here!) when it collides with your opponent.
pakhok
I just waiting for that response … So whats the contact area in the paauChoi (vertical fist)…?
But if we look at that the upward motion could be use for defense like what i said for exemple strike the bicept …the thumb is a good one…if you strike under the chin the thumb is again a good one …thats a lifting motion to hit smooth area hit the meat not the bone???
If you take the back fist …and hit the bone(skull) you have a lot of chance to break your hand a lot of small bone in the back of the hand …maybe thats will be better to used the bottomfist(hammerfist)…
All strike coming from a vertical or diagonal downward angle have more chance to hit the bone (skull) so we need to use more hammering weapon but for upward motion is different
Steeve
[QUOTE=Steeeve;822082]pakhok
I just waiting for that response … So whats the contact area in the paauChoi (vertical fist)…?
But if we look at that the upward motion could be use for defense like what i said for exemple strike the bicept …the thumb is a good one…if you strike under the chin the thumb is again a good one …thats a lifting motion to hit smooth area hit the meat not the bone???
If you take the back fist …and hit the bone(skull) you have a lot of chance to break your hand a lot of small bone in the back of the hand …maybe thats will be better to used the bottomfist(hammerfist)…
All strike coming from a vertical or diagonal downward angle have more chance to hit the bone (skull) so we need to use more hammering weapon but for upward motion is different
Steeve[/QUOTE]
If you are training the system and the rock bags correctly you shouldn’t have any worry with even bruising on the arm or hands from striking. Backfist for example only hurts when you don’t know correct technique, a good lama fisted guys bones on the back of the hand will not even be visible. When I make a fist you can not even feel my meta carpals with out digging your finger tips in. We use the wrist/cranes beak, the forearm, knuckles, leopards fist, you can even sneak the elbow in there. the thumb could be used on soft tissue like you mentioned, maybe some guys are using the thumb, I wouldn’t with out proper training and guidance for sure because I know using it on accident really sucks.
Our method you are going to take the guys head off with the strike so why bother with the nerves. Those long big uppercuts really power through and the waist and foot motion throws your body weight behind it, try some on the heavy bag and then try some using the thumb as your striking point.
hokpai
I agree with you…good conversation:)
For sure… pressure point or nerves striking is good in theory …in fighting no fancy stuff just take the guyhead off:) and striking the bag I use a compact fist(dont know thats good word in english)I mean a big area of the fist
Thats was my next question …the fist and forearm conditionning since the lion roar system use their fist like a hammer …some conditionning of the hands is a pre require for use this techniques without breaking the hands…you give some method of conditionning the fist…Could you give more Pleased
From what you said here in tibetan white crane the paau choi is done with the back fist ???
Maybe Michael or David could give more info about the paau choi (vertical fist ) and the thumb…?
Just different method nobody is wrong:)
Thank
Steeve
[QUOTE=Steeeve;822094]hokpai
I agree with you…good conversation:)
For sure… pressure point or nerves striking is good in theory …in fighting no fancy stuff just take the guyhead off:) and striking the bag I use a compact fist(dont know thats good word in english)I mean a big area of the fist
Thats was my next question …the fist and forearm conditionning since the lion roar system use their fist like a hammer …some conditionning of the hands is a pre require for use this techniques without breaking the hands…you give some method of conditionning the fist…Could you give more Pleased
From what you said here in tibetan white crane the paau choi is done with the back fist ???
Maybe Michael or David could give more info about the paau choi (vertical fist ) and the thumb…?
Just different method nobody is wrong:)
Thank
Steeve[/QUOTE]
Hi,
Yes good conversation. I can’t go into detail about our conditioning but I can say it is intense enough that it runs 99% of new students off the first day. We don’t even bother to try and remember a new guys name until he has shown up for a couple three classes. We have a pow choi varient that uses the back fist as a strike, it starts low from behind the waist and ends up above your head. Dang, I wish travel was affordable these days, we interested in lions roar could all meet for a bbq and really get into it all.
pound your fists together 10-20 times a day. easiest way to condition your knuckles
i dont have my own set of mok yee pai right now, so i train my punches with wrist weights and dumbells. at 10 pounds right now, working my way up. i still need a pair of mok yee pai but no one is willing to make a pair at a resonable price or sell them
Htowndragon
Why not try the kettle dumbell??? thats look a little bit like the mok yee pai:)
Steeve
grip difference, im buying some kettlebells though. the grips on most kettle bells make you grip it differently