When it comes to aikijutsu vs. aikijujutsu, like Mat said it really depends on who you’re talking to. The Daito-ryu folks tend to refer to their art as aikijujutsu and identify aikijutsu as a subset or component of their art. Ueshiba first referered to his art as Daito-ryu, then as aiki budo, then as aikido. Aikido people tend to look at Daito-ryu as some quaint country bumpkin cousin while Daito-ryu people tend to look at aikido as some half-assed wannabe.
Get them all talking about what “aiki” really is and you’ll have as many arguments as you would about Sin The’. Suffice it to say that it depends on which side of the fence you’re sitting on. More posts than you could shake a stick at can be found on E-Budo and on the Aikido Journal forum, for those who care.
I completely agree. I’ve always heard that they were one of the only legit ninjutsu camps still in existence. FWIW, he’s not my friend. He runs a school in town, and I asked him some questions based on what I saw on his website.
Hey guys…
Thanks to who pointed out that taijutsu means “art of the body” I was wrong when I said in the authentic ninja info threat that it meant “body movement.” I am sorry.
But I still remember many things correctly (I think) from my days of Bujinkan Ninjutsu, and those days were many…in fact I trained in the Bujinkan for almost 8 years and then another 2 years later on when I found a school near my current domicile. Here is what it was like:
First of all, it’s not like most places where all you do is focus on self defense, or fighting, or even a couple of things, like self-defense and health, or spiritual cultivation and forms…No, in ninjutsu we did everything from hiding and stealth to CPR to wilderness survival to tracking to…well pretty much anything I can think of! At times I found it hard to get good at anything because I felt like I was suppose to be a jack of all trades and a master at paying monthly fees…that’s right, there are different McDojo elements in some american Bujinkan schools…but hey everyone has to earn a living and I still have a great deal of respect for my senseis…
but anyway, this thread is about taijutsu sorry to get off topic…the unarmed combat art of the ninja…borrowing from the four elements, we may shift back and counterstrike an incoming punch while gathering power to come crashing in like a tidal wave with a shooto to the neck…and in ninjutsu guys like to hit eachother hard in training even in areas like the neck, a practice that I never appreciated or understood…against a hook punch we might sink our weight to generate power a la the earth…in fire mode we would move forward to jam an attack as it began…in wind mode we would circle around attacks…there was also a lot of rolling or ukemi in taijutsu…and did I hear someone say joint locks? Loads of 'em…anyone see that “shoulder lock” Frank Mir tapped Pete Williams with? We call that “musho dori” (sp?)…
in hindsight, there were some things that I really liked about ninjutsu and the bujinkan and some things that made me decide to leave said org…part of that was I fell in love with kung fu (WTH was I thinking?!) around that time…
Also I never did any forms in ninjutsu/taijutsu that were anything like what I do in kung fu…but we did have short katas for partner practice…also we didn’t do static stances like the horse stance or cat stance but we did have kamae which were suppose to be dynamic postures that were used interchangeably during a fight…some that I remember were
hicho no kamae : where we were suppose to feel like a bird entrapped by a snake about to break free as we stood on one leg…
doko no kamae : angry tiger
ichimonji : a water mode posture…similar in appearance to doko, but the feeling was more defensive…
hira ichimonji : an evasive posture
seiza : a wierd seated posture
seza: kneeling
shizen : standing naturally
Jumonji : that game Robin Williams was trapped in for many years, and an aggressive posture in ninjutsu…
Hoko : an exotic, freaky posture
Koso no kamae : a posture used in fire mode
EDIT: sorry if I mispelled the kamae, as I am sure I indeed have, since I just spelled them based on how they sounded in japanese
He also said that masaaki hatsumi and his schools “are the taco bell of ninpo”…
I can tell you my friend from experience that there are many black belts in the bujinkan that can’t even wipe their butts let alone fight…see in the bujinkan there are no tournaments so in many ways status is determined by how many times you have been to japan or how many tai kais you have been to…but having said all that, I learned some good stuff in the Bujinkan! The throws especially were great…some of the joint locks I really like…so there was some BS and some truth…BTW they don’t compete b.c there main focus is supposedly reality and real life self-defense…also some of them look down on such worldly competitions…
Rank means very little in the Bujinkan, except for those who choose not to listen to Hatsumi. Hatsumi’s method of ranking his students is unconventional, not nontraditional- there is a difference.
Sure the Bujinkan has sub-par schools out there (Hatsumi admits this), but the Bujinkan is very big now days (and much different then it was during the “ninja boom” of the 80’s). There are definitely Bujinkan teachers that know what they are talking about, can use their art effectively, and do not focus on exotic training (CPR, tracking, etc) at the expense of their taijiutsu training.
Originally posted by Akhilleus … First of all, it’s not like most places where all you do is focus on self defense, or fighting, or even a couple of things, like self-defense and health, or spiritual cultivation and forms…No, in ninjutsu we did everything from hiding and stealth to CPR to wilderness survival to tracking to…well pretty much anything I can think of…
I did not study your style, but more of a hybrid art that I’ve suspected was called Ninjitsu out of some one’s imagination… But the more I learn of Bujinkan, the more similarities I see between your training and mine. I also recieved alot of survivalist training, but always assumed this was because my instructor (didn’t like to be called sensai) was one of those gung-ho Marine types who honestly loved to do things like that and just drug us along for company. It’s nice to know this might not be the case.
I thing I will need to make the time to visit the school who’s website was posted. I think I might have alot more to learn.
I did not study your style, but more of a hybrid art that I’ve suspected was called Ninjitsu out of some one’s imagination… But the more I learn of Bujinkan, the more similarities I see between your training and mine.
Yeah it sounds pretty good…many of the ninjutsu teachers that I learned from had served in the military…and ninjutsu is a lot different than what a lot of people think of…though there are shuriken or throwing stars…
Rank means very little in the Bujinkan, except for those who choose not to listen to Hatsumi. Hatsumi’s method of ranking his students is unconventional, not nontraditional- there is a difference.
Yeah there are some great ninjutsu practitioners…and even those that engage in mcdojoism aren’t necessarily bad martial artists or people, they are just trying to make a decent living…
Hey Shaolin Lube you didnt even mention that it was me who took all those pictures that you used for the china trip article those were mine you slacker.
ShaolinJOJO-The true inheruter of the Tong Bie form-
Originally posted by ShaolinJOJO
[B]Hey Shaolin Lube you didnt even mention that it was me who took all those pictures that you used for the china trip article those were mine you slacker.
ShaolinJOJO-The true inheruter of the Tong Bie form- [/B]
hey i told you i was using them fool. and then you were like “oh okay i dont care, cool”. so stop your whining.
jojo-you can be the inheruter all you want im fine with that.
but
shaolinlueb-the true Inheritor of the tongbie form
Hey you just were like oh yeah im gonna use your pics online not as an article. Always taking credit for my things. And also half the stuff i see you write is wrong.
Also thanks for putting me in the pic in the article.(You also cut me off in the one at the show)
Originally posted by ShaolinJOJO Hey you just were like oh yeah im gonna use your pics online not as an article. Always taking credit for my things. And also half the stuff i see you write is wrong.
Also thanks for putting me in the pic in the article.(You also cut me off in the one at the show)
its not wrong :rolleyes: you’re just stupid, you were too busy complaining about being sick and running to the can to know what was going on :o.
what just cause i didnt mention my encounter with kelly and how her and nancy wanted to marry one of us to get to the states :o hahahahaha. you hung out with those two more then me, well nancy you did, kelly i think i might have 2 hours on you.
i didnt cut anyone off, they did it. your in the beer pic anyways :p. i did tell you it was for the article. you just dont pay attention like always.
i should have mentioned johnny walker. that guy had us cracking up the whole trip. especially the last day in shanghai. the waitressed brought out toast he was like “how about some fking bacon and eggs with that? you know what the fk that is?” i was like, man leave it to Johnny Walker. but no i dont think it would have added anything.
I should have put the trip to the other school in there and the christmas eve party and banquet.
Man the even funnier part was all the sayings about the heating an air conditioning, and dude you should have put the picture that had him with the towel wrapped aruond his face.
Also im not the stupid one its you remember the girls you called horse in Chinese! haha:D
Originally posted by ShaolinJOJO
[B]Man the even funnier part was all the sayings about the heating an air conditioning, and dude you should have put the picture that had him with the towel wrapped aruond his face.
Also im not the stupid one its you remember the girls you called horse in Chinese! haha:D [/B]
yes i did, and i was dressed in the 80’s breaker adidas jump suit.!!!
and then you were like “oh okay i dont care, cool”. so stop your whining. 