I didn’t know if I should have put this somewhere else, but I hope it’s OK here.
So, what is the relation between the two styles?
Where does Paulie Zink (Tai Shin Pek Kwar) fall in all this?
I appreciate all answers 
Mika
[size=7]can Of Worms!!![/size]
Chan Sau Chung’s organization used to be known as Tai Shing Pep Kwar Mun , but they dropped the mun. Paulie Zink teaches monkey style but his legitimacy is questioned. Different Lines of the same family , or Politics??
who knows for sure?
I know about the “can of worms” but think peeps here can look past that crap. I am looking for legit info, not to start a flame war etc.
Eager to hear more. I am looking for some distinctive answers as to the differences between the two styles and their history.
Whether PZ is legit or not is a side dish. If someone knows what the situation is and why, of course that info would be appreciated
Mika
Practically none, except for the animal they acclaim.
Several different looking styles use the variations tai shen/ tai sing/ tai shin AND the same goes for Pek kwar.
PZ is a clown.
the short answer, Paulie Zink is a no class clown who stole text and pictures from the real people to prop up his fraud. He has no reall martial art skill and has changed his stories more times than a woman changes her mind…
tai shin mun won but it was a great battle I’ve got a clip right here
…about clothes. :rolleyes:
Differences?
Nah, never mind PZ, I have heard before he isn’t well respected, whether that’s warranted or not.
But the differences between the two styles. I read somewhere Pek Kwar was its own style and was at some point fused with Tai Shin Mun. Pek Kwar being Hammer (Axe) Hand, it should be very different from Tai Shin Mun. Thus I would expect Tai Shin Pe Kwar be very different from Tai Shin Mun.
Does anyone know from experience?
Mika
From my understanding.
Tai Shing Pep Kwar
means
Monkey Style , Axe Fist
Axe Fist is a complete system onto itself , but was incoorporated into the monkey style as fundamentals training.
Another aspect of monkey boxing is another system called Daitang or Grand Eath , which has alot of tumbling and falling movements.
these two style comprise the basics of the system.
the Monkey aspect with regards to tspk is not that much at all. There are very few monkey forms in comparison to the basics.
Which would probably explain why people buy those tspk videos and think they’re getting a monkey form, and wonder why the forms they see on the tape look nothing like a monkey
Tai Shing Pek War is still a different Monkey style than Tai Shing Men.
The Monkey of Tai Shing Pekwar was developed in like the 1700’s if I am correct. The Tai Shing Men was developed 650 AD. They are two totally unrelated styles patterned after Monkeys as far as I know (Like North and South Mantis).
That pretty much cocludes my knowledge of the subject.
I think Sifu Abel has done both though, so he might be better to compare.
Actually I think it means great sage axe hook.
Each style is complementary. They both use monkey as an acclaim animal . It mostly seen in the footwork.
ok thanx
do you know why it’s called great sage but is associated with monkey boxing?
cause hou means monkey right 
What he said,ditto.
Dai Sing Pek Gwa Myuhn (AKA Da Xing Pi Gua Men) is primarily a combination of two systems.
Dai Sing is another name for the Monkey King (he has many aliases). The system originated in Northern China when the army tried to forceably draft a Di Tang (ground fighting) teacher. The Di Tang shihfu resisted conscription and killed some people. They sent him to prison. Stuck in prison for many years, the Di Tang master supposedly watched monkies outside his window (? yeah, but that’s the story) and developed a monkey system based on 5 distinct monkey types (stone, tall, wooden, lost and drunken)
Pek Gwa Myuhn (Pi Gua Men) is a fairly standard northern long fist style. The fact that Zink has NO basic kung fu is a strong point showing what a freak and clown he is… Pek Gwa forms the basis for the Dai Sing Pek Gwa Myuhn system, ie Gan Duk Hoi taught three basic Pek Gwa sets as the first three forms (Pek Gwa Fist, Pek Gwa palm and Pek Gwa leg). YC Wong learned teh three sets from Gan Duk Hoi. I learned two of teh sets from YC Wong (meaning I know more real Dai Sing Pek Gwa than Paulie Zink!)
Gan Duk Hoi’s father was a Pek Gwa teacher. He then learned Dai Sing and merged the two systems. Less known is the fact that Gan Duk Hoi’s father-in-law did Black Tiger, and thus some Black Tiger is in the system as well. Teh first broadswrod set taught is Black Tiger…
Yes, I am the repository of all sorts of trivial KF knowledge…
Oh, “pek” means “chopping” and “gwa” means “to hang up” - thus, Pek Gwa means to “chop and hang up” or “chopping and hanging”… it is descriptive of the sort of hand technique done in the system…
Kewl
Y’all, thanks!
mika
Interesting. Di Tang is part of my system. Do you know the name of that Sifus name? How much truth do you think there is to this story?
Kao (Tze) sp?