i saw one of pz’s videos. i felt like i was watching Mr. Rogers neighborhood.
Lol!
That voice is funny. Even funnier is that he apparently had to do it all in one day. As the video progresses, he gets sweatier and his voice starts to quiver. The techniques seemed almost made up on the spur of the moment.
Hi
Tai Shing Pek qwar is comprised of Tai Shing, Pek qwar, Black tiger, Grand earth, Chen Tai chi, Xing-yi, and Dragon Swimming Ba Gwa.
The Pek Qwar has the Ying Yang fist and The 3 main Pek Qwar Hand forms which is 1 extra long form shortened to 3 there is different ways of doing the forms if you link them into the one long form. The Pek qwar part of the system is the core.
I do not Know about PZ so I can’t help you with that however what I have seen of him Does not look like Tai Shing of Tai Shing Pek Qwar.
Hope this helps alittle
let usa not speak of 9 continents staff ever again :o 
i mean no disrespect towards the people that practice this art and are legitamate, but are the monkey noises really made when attacking? cause pz kinda sounds like a lunatic going into cunvultions when he make the noises.
Making stupid monkey noises has never been part of any money I’ve ever practised.
A single shout here or there, maybe. I’ve seen the occassional grunt. But going off like a howler monkey with its tail cut off is movieland hogwash.
There are people in the cma community that go as far as saying normal shouting while doing a form is incorrect and depletes chi. Not my opinion but I would say that if you come across anyone making animal noises while doing a form is either doing it for show or is ignorant. I haven’t come across monkey yelling either.
i saw one tape ( not sure which one) were he does some kind of low sweep then jumps on the guy and does a bunch of punches with his fist upside down. the whole time he’s screeming like a chimp being castrated. so funny i had to watch it over a few times.
Don’t get me wrong though if you’re in the process of kicking major butt and you feel so inspired to channel your inner forest creature nature spirit or whatever, then go for it!
It’s just not really taught that way though. 
well then, i think i need to go and find my inner forest creature just like him.
We all have an inner forest creature
Has anyone here actually trained with Paulie? :rolleyes: I have. I cannot comment on his “legitimacy” (afterall that is very subjective, and what is “PROOF”???) :rolleyes: , but I can comment on his skill. If he is indeed a fake (as many claim) he has to be one of the most amazingly skilled individuals I have run across!! His movements and techniques are crisp, clean, and very powerful. Now I did not touch hands with him hardly at all, so can he apply this??? 
I have no clue. To say he has no foundation is just ignorant! He was one of the most amazing performers I have seen. Very good teacher too.
I have some of the tapes too, and I agree his applications are ****ing crazy! I doubt he could pull it off on the street, but then again think about this…how would you react if confronted by someone acting, yelling, moving like this? I can almost guarantee you would pause for a second is sheer amazement, or have a fit of laughter 
, either of which gives him the edge to pull something off.
Again I have no clue if he is the “real” deal, but he certainly has a lot to offer, even if you guys think he is strange and goofy. He is a different duck with different ideas, but that makes him no less talented.
For those making a reference to “Master Chan” the “Monkey King” from HK that moved to Vancouver a few years back, do you ever wonder what his motivation is? Maybe he is the “sole” inheritor, high guru, sensei, alli-baba, sifu from God, but if he is so exalted shouldn’t he be more humble and polite? He made a buck off of all the nay sayers by slamming another martial artist he admits he has never met! Where is the Wude? I have tried to visit Mr. Chan in Vancouver, and him and his son were very off putting to me and were not very friendly towards a potential student! Says a lot to me.
His Pek Kwar (Piqua in Mandarin) does not look like some of the Piqua I have learned, but again that means little.
Just my 2 cents
Jake
ok fair enough.
but if I ever hear ANYONE mention the term “wude” again
I swear i’m gonna unleash my hidden forest creature so fast you’ll think paulie zinks yelping was baby ca ca.
No, it won’t. Moves have to flow and be somewhat continuous. Even if the weird does take a person a second, it still won’t stop an aggetated attacker from proceeding to whoop ass. Monkey style is not about posing in front of your attacker in a weird posture. Heres a clue: all those cool, weird and odd postures should be the ends of the move not the begining.
From what I’ve seen so far, his tapes are the same old “vs. frozen man” stuff you see everywhere else. There has to be an effect, even if going light. Some modicum of control over the demonstating student. They almost seemed disconnected and put together on the spot. He does have his moments but they are few.
You didn’t cross hands. Perhaps you should have.
He was off putting to you? Did you announce yourself as a student of PZ?
Being the head of a lineage doesn’t affect your personality. I too am sick of the “humble self depricating sifu” non-sense. It isn’t true for the majority that I’ve met. Some of them may have been nice guys and all; but they were regular joes for the most part. Being a sifu in CMA means you learned a martial skill. Its not a badge of enlightenment.
No I did not announce myself as a student of his. I have trained with him only once. I am a Mantis player and my teacher lives in Richmond BC just around the bend from Chan. I just simply went down to check out the class.
Again I agree with your assertation of his fighting techniques, but I can tell you that his movements were as smooth as anyones out there!
Jake
It is up to Paulie where he fits in, is it not?
Tai Shin Mun Vs Tai Shing Pek Kwar
This is a can of worms,
And it saddens me that all the monkey schools cant just get along.
I trained with Paulie Zink for 4 years, and it was the most grueling training I have ever done. The man knows his art, but does not show it to many, and tapes do show anything any how.
I have also met the Tai Shin Mun people in Finland, they are strong.
I introduced my self to Grandmaster Chan Sau Chung and Master Chan Kai Leung at a tournament in Florida a couple of years ago, a USAWKF event. I told them I trained with Paulie Zink and expressed my disappointment that thing did not work out between the two of them. They were respectful to me and asked me to keep in contact with them, but to my mistake I haven’t. ( life happens )
I moved on from Paulie Zink 4 years ago and studied with the Beijing opera under Qi Jian Guo and moved out to CT to study with Master Hu Jian Qiang two time all around wushu champion. onward.
This being said I will try to answer Mika’s question, which is a good question.
What they share is the name and the relation to the myth of Sun Wu Kung, and Journey to the west. The main difference between them is that Tai Shin Mun claim a Buddhist heritage and Paulie Zink’s Tai Shing claims a Taoist one. I do not know Grandmaster Chan Sau Chung’s belief system nor would I try to guess that’s really it as far as I could tell. In any case I hold the Tai Shin Mun crew in respect and well as Grandmaster Chan Sau Chung and his son Master Chan Kai Leung.
But somewhere they all must meet I think, but it is beyond me at this time.
People practice for different reasons some to fight other to benefit them selves, it is my hope that the Monkey kung fu practitioners will get past the contention and look at the things we share, namely Sun Wu Kung. For the art and the myth are bigger things than any one person. I know that is a lot to ask of human beings.
Jai Sun Wu Kung, Jai Hanuman,
In training,
Damon
I think the whole plagiarism thing pretty much kills any chance of the two groups getting along.
Thanks
Thanks for the new replies. It seems the differences and origins are not that clear. Whatever, more important is how they fight and how they respond to other schools and systems.
I wish one day I’ll have a chance to see Pek Kwar, too. Tai Shin Mun I can see here. Might I add, they are genuine, these guys are traditional. And although Wu De is not supposed to be mentioned here ( ), I can tell you the TSM peeps here understand it. The martial arts scene is just as torn apart here as it is everywhere else (although things are getting better [everywhere?], thanks to MMA, I must say), so to have these cool TSM people around is very refreshing. We, the Tang Lang crew, have made an agreement with TSM here: if one of their students gets tired of TSM and wants continue in the path of original Kung Fu, they will recommend us. We’ll do the same.
I will pass along the greetings to the TSM people here in Finland.
Thanks, y’all, once again. It’s been an interesting thread 
//mika
“and tapes do show anything any how.”
Actually, they speak volumes. He is either the faker or the progeny of a faker as people think. Or, he is the biggest scoundrel on the planet for showing one thing and doing another.
We’ve all done grueling work. Monkey is not easy.
You have been all over the world doing monkey. Is there anywhere we can see some of your skill?
I am very curious as to what the TSM people look like. Do you know of any links?
Mr. Ross,
I’d be interested in knowing how much information your repository holds on Hak Fu Muhn?
There are somethings that i never speak of on forums such as the little known Black Tiger facts ,but i’d be interested in speaking with you through pm or email.
jeff:)