Tae Kwon do sucks!

OK all for all intents and purposes the vast majority of current TKD is a sport that falls somewhere between boxing and figure skating. It’s a sport in the same way as boxing, archery, fencing, BJJ, muay thai, wrestling, judo and savate to name a few are. All follow a set of rules for how they fight and all willingly trade weakness in certain areas to specialize in others.

What makes TKD effective IMO is not completness as fighting art but that at certain levels the practitioners become well trained atheletes with an ingrained toolset that can be used to defend themselves. Even the more traditional TKD kwon work this way.
Outside of wanting to be the most practiced art in the world TKD has a problem with deciding what it wants to be. What does good TKD look like? Depends on you definition of TKD.

No, even there kicks suck. Not as bad as there hands, footwork or blocks though. When I was in my Kung Fu class, I through a roundhouse TKD style at a classmate as fast as I could. He easily deflected it and with a simple move could have messed up my ankle.
Hey Philbert, ever think maybe it was you who sucked?:smiley: :stuck_out_tongue:

I’m suprised no one yet mentioned it. They blatantly lies about its origin.

Many senior masters of TKD as well as its official body (WTF and ITF) claim that taekwon do trace it’s origin to 2000 years of Korean history and Takeyon while, on the other hand, they know that they were practicing Shotokan kata.

Read this link and you learn all you need to know why TKD has bad rep.

http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6540

Gen. Choi readily admitted to TKDs shotokan heritage as did many others. But there has been a rewritting of history over the last 40 years.

simplicity, distribution.

Mcdonalds or TKD.

A question to any TKD practioner.

TKD shifted it’s emphasis from hand technique of karate to kick. Is there any martial justification to such shift? Or is this shift purely due to sportification of the art. In TKD tournament, all I see is contenstant standing with one leg and trying to keep other away with foot.

I know I suck, I haven’t done TKD in over 2 years so my roundhouse kicks suck. The guy who did the move too practices Savate (traditional, not sport) and showed me some good kicks afterwards.

I went to a Kung Fu school (Jkd/Lama Pai Crane) for a month. (lost my job, and don’t have the money for it right now) But in one months time, I new about as much about combat, if not more, then two and a half years of TKD.

I’ve already admitted to doing TKD in another thread so I guess I’m out of the dojang kit locker now.

I do ITF TKD and my instructor was and is a student of Rhee Ki Ha. He being a pioneering Grandmaster. I think he’s the only one left but I may be wrong about that, he may just be the only one in the ITF. Or school is, not surprisingly very traditional and my intsructor really can fight. We use our hands and when sparing are allowed to punch to the head so you keep your guard up.

The problem as I see it is the sport aspect dominates, certainly the WTF. Originally, breaking was a big part of the art but I know WTF red belts who can only break with a side kick, which is pretty pathetic for saying they’re supposed to be able to do it with side kick, turning kick, reverse turing, knife hand, fist etc. They also can’t guard, I’ve seen them spar with their hands by their side. One trick I’ve seen, takes advantage of the fact that you can’t punch to the back. I sparred with a red belt who turned his back on me. After I’d come in close, punched him in the ribs and kidneys and good six or eight times and done a knife hand to his adams apple, he hid a jumping back kick, told me that all my moves were against the rules and warned me not to let him draw me in. I wouldn’t have minded if we weren’t supposed to be free sparing.

I have posted this before but I will post it again.

Here in the UK and in Oxford particulaly I feel that we have very good TKd. The only guy who gives me a run for my money in my class when we sparr is a TKD guy, he is the fastest guy I have ever seen and has been taught full contact TKD in a tough club for 12 years.

This same guy has knocked out several kung fu/san shou guys in full contact fights.

On the down side TKD has left him with tons of lasting injurys.

On the down side TKD has left him with tons of lasting injurys.
thankfully… i didn’t have that problem… most of my injuries are from san shou…

Originally posted by Liokault
[B]I have posted this before but I will post it again.

Here in the UK and in Oxford particulaly I feel that we have very good TKd. The only guy who gives me a run for my money in my class when we sparr is a TKD guy, he is the fastest guy I have ever seen and has been taught full contact TKD in a tough club for 12 years.

This same guy has knocked out several kung fu/san shou guys in full contact fights.

On the down side TKD has left him with tons of lasting injurys. [/B]

It’s actually true. In U.K. TKD has none of bad rep you hear in U.S. I’m quite sure there are bad TKD club out there in U.K. as well and they still claim 2000 years of history bull****. Having said it, most clubs I have seen do train hard. My friend took nearly 4-5 years to attain his black belt and last 2 years before attianing his black belt, he had to do his own training daily.

Suntzu

thankfully… i didn’t have that problem… most of my injuries are from san shou…

LOL funnily enough what finaly retired him was dislocating his shoulder in our tai chi class! His last san shou fight saw his shoulder come out repeatedly.

Originally posted by Liokault
[B]I have posted this before but I will post it again.

Here in the UK and in Oxford particulaly I feel that we have very good TKd. The only guy who gives me a run for my money in my class when we sparr is a TKD guy, he is the fastest guy I have ever seen and has been taught full contact TKD in a tough club for 12 years.

This same guy has knocked out several kung fu/san shou guys in full contact fights.

On the down side TKD has left him with tons of lasting injurys. [/B]

Who’s that then? Which federation was he in?

the first martial art i did was karate, for about 6 months
then i did taekwondo for 2 years
and now ive been doing kungfu for 1 year

taekwondo
pros = excellent range of kicks, good “workout”, flexibility, a bit of sparring experience

i can safely say it wasn’t a complete system, then again what really qualifies as a complete system?

all in all, i feel much safer defending myself with kungfu than taekwondo

i got in a fight with a bigger “kickboxer” style guy a few years ago, used my taekwondo, kicked him in the ribs as hard as i could, nothing happened. then i tried to move in (or something) and got caught in a front gillotene choke hold, luckily managed to make him let go (pulling his hair or something) and yeah, ran like hell
:slight_smile:
this kinda messed me up for a whilst (feeling of uselessness, not being able to defend myself, etc) i found the biggest problem was my racing heartbeat, and not enough confidence to smash down his guard (and not knowing how to attack him!)

i praise kungfu for giving me back confidence (the style is very similar to southern praying mantis)

If i was in that situation again, i would have done things much differently.
NAMELY, moved in very smoothly and agressively, smashed his guard down, and started smacking him around like a punching bag

I guess kungfu just has a more realistic approach to fighting, in my experience.

p.s. kungfu really does work well, but BJJ and wrestling is excellent if the guy is smaller and by himself :slight_smile:

A convert to Kung fu-ism. excellent;) :smiley:

p.s. kungfu really does work well, but BJJ and wrestling is excellent if the guy is smaller and by himself

Works better if by himself, sure, but what art doesn’t. But smaller? Wrong answer! Thanks for playing our game!

Well if there’s a Korean style I owuld take it’s Hwa rang do. Tkd just got it’s kicks form it but from what I’ve seen hwa rang do got’s more like weapons,joint locks,oh and all sorts of limb breaking. Well supposedly it’s the origin of all the Kroan arts
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Well if there’s a Korean style I owuld take it’s Hwa rang do. Tkd just got it’s kicks form it but from what I’ve seen hwa rang do got’s more like weapons,joint locks,oh and all sorts of limb breaking. Well supposedly it’s the origin of all the Kroan arts

Properganda is a dangerouse thing.

The very first Shaolin form I ever learned is harder to perform and more sophisticated than the Black Belt forms in TKD. I attend a TKD class from time to time, it is semi useful because there they work on boxing and Judo/jujitsu a lot. I think its like any other art, it’s who’s teaching it. The forms are definately not to smooth and dont have any value to combat.

Originally posted by Liokault
[B]Suntzu

LOL funnily enough what finaly retired him was dislocating his shoulder in our tai chi class! His last san shou fight saw his shoulder come out repeatedly. [/B]
OUCH:eek: