Who knows how Hitler got his hands on the shaolin symbol that looks like the swaztika???
Hitler had a fascination for all things occult.
He co-opted the swastika because it is an ancient symbol that spans many cultures in a paralell nature. The swastika is found pretty much universally in cultures all over the world from native north americans to buddhism, to ancient celts and even vikings.
It’s likely, he adopted the viking version and not the buddhist one and altered it to his purposes. He also adopted the double runes for the ss. In the formation of those runes, I believe the meaning is loosely “total victory”.
He sent out all sorts of scientists and anthropologists out across the world to all sorts of obscure places a la Napoleon to collect religious artifacts and relics that he appeared to believe would give him even more power.
Other than that tidbit, I’d have to say you’ll need to do some digging to find out more.
Not only did he hijack the sunwheel (swastika) but he and his boys pretty much hijacked the teutonic rennaissance (rebirth & celebration of pre-christian german culture) that was going on as well.
Not that Wagner was a saint; but Hitler corrupted it to something purely evil.
It’s a shame that white folk don’t seem to know how to celebrate the beauty of their cultural legacy without it becoming hate-filled racism.
You can almost understand why so many white kids embrace other cultures instead of their own.
“Total victory” and “good triumphs evil.”
Its the most revered symbol in the world. Plays a major part in all types of hinduism.
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[i]It’s a shame that white folk don’t seem to know how to celebrate the beauty of their cultural legacy without it becoming hate-filled racism.
You can almost understand why so many white kids embrace other cultures instead of their own.[/i]
Hardly a white folk or white kid thing. All people of all colors hate each other with the same intensity, for similar cultural reasons.
There’s actually some accounts in occult circles of massive occult battles going on between Hitler’s lot and those in England.
But anyway, yeah it’s far more likely that he took it from the norse runes, rather than buddhism/hinduism. Though around that time there was already quite a lot of information coming from connections to buddhism in sri lanka and spiritualist movements in the west.
Hmm That is what i call a racist comment. So i guess your bias is showing. Sweden, Norway Switz, can i name any other white neutralities of the utmost liberalism? how about the United States you bigot? There are countless people in this nation that celebrate diversity. Just as you dont like my white side of the family generalizing i am sure you do not want the arab side either. How about my daughters that are part african as well? Next you will be saying white monkey (but not to our faces). Bigots are bigots are bigots, and saying its no wonder why white people embrace other colors is the same as me stating that many asian men like white women, or better yet wear American clothes.
The acreditation of this quote is unclear so i do not know who the real bigot is but id like to think that my blood as well as my daughters or my masters are all equally accepted in this world. Otherwise in the words of Krushchev “we (meaning all diversity) will bury you”
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I was just pointing out that hatred and culture confusion is not only a white person thing. Which its not.
Anyways.
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Maybe you just quoted the wrong person..
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I think you quoted the wrong person Sifu Darkfist (should be Pork Chop, not yenhoi).
Anyway, I’m not interested in other cultures because I’m ashamed of being white… I feel as good about having a mostly German/Austrain background as most Chinese do about being Chinese. It’s not as if the only evil people of the 20th century were white folk. The Japanese government was a pretty big part of WW2 also… The Chinese government murdered millions of people… all kinds of nasty s#it going down in Africa… and of course there’s the suicide bombing tactics in the middle east. White people shouldn’t feel any better or worse than about their ancestry than anybody else.
Note: The Runen that Himmler appropriated for the SS are not genuine. They are a synthesized version, made up by Guido von List, in 1902 . The several varietes of Norse runes remain untainted by the Nazis.
Being a German (and Irish) extraction myself, I confess I’ve never felt much attraction to my grandparent’s culture. Prussian history interested me in High School, but that’s about it. Too much American Technocrat, I guess.
The “S” (lightening bolt) rune doubled up for the SS insignia is “Sigel”.
Sigel: means sun, fire, burning energy, justice. Success if you try.
Attributes of Sigel: As the rune of invincibility and achievement, Sigel serves as both the shield of protection and the sword of confidence. By strengthening ones proficiency and tact in assertive leadership, this rune provides one with the energy to keep from yielding during stress and difficulties.
Sigel embodies the motivating force towards self-realization while integrating life’s energy, allwoing us the flexibility to flow with circumstances.
I stole this from some website. And stranger is right, it is the same rune (just doubled up)
Greetings..
Like anything else, symbols only have the meaning you attach to them.. that others attach their meanings in conflict with your own is a non-issue.. it is their deeds that bear witness to their intentions.. and, it is the intentions that motivate our interpretations of “good/bad”..
There is a fine line between prejudice and preference.
Be well..
Remember that time Hitler went after the Ark of the Covenenant? Man, that was fiasco.
Yeah and that creepy guy with the scarred hand and the evil French archaeologist both melted. Talk about a mess for the janitorial crew to have to clean up the next day.
LOL, and people get ticked with me when I say that people in general suck. There is evidence all around us that humanity in mass is a bad thing.
Not that I don’t get the joke but the plot was inspired by historical events. I am also not so sure about the assertion that he adopted some sort of European version of the swastica. He spent a hell of a lot of resources digging around in Tibet and researching the stuff up there. There was some thought that the Tibetans, based on their bone structure, might have been closely related to the hypothetical Aryan race proposed by Madame Blavatsky.
That **** just blows my mind when I get into it and is the main reason I have pretty much sworn off all western occult practices. No matter what strand I follow it always seems to lead back to proto-natzism. Either it’s Von List or it’s Blavatski or Crowley or one of their close peers.
Anyone here know off hand where John Dee popped up out of?
Just for the record, I’m white of German/Austrian, Irish, and English descent.
Not only that, but I’m a heathen, so those runes mean something to me.
I was speaking for myself and other kids i grew up with in saying that there was a reluctance on our part to celebrate any of our cultural heritage growing up.
I hate people who blame the media, but growing up it was “white men can’t jump”, “white men can’t dance”, “who wants to see a team of all white players?”, “look at that dorky white kid”.
Anytime it came to cultural pride, we’d try to duck the question.
Even the phrase “white pride” is a pseudonym for racist skinheads.
In reference to the subject at hand, people like the Nazis in Germany of the 20s and 30s, took Wagner, with his plays that made Teutonic people proud of their heritage, and turned it into an excuse to hate everyone else.
I know better now that I’m older.
In high school I tried to reconnect with my Irish roots (having 2 Irish grandmothers), but kept getting excluded coz of my last name.
Lately I’ve been researching the heathen thing and finding out about my Austrian/German roots (I have ancestors that were in the Prussian military btw).
I think maybe you misunderstood where I was going with my comment.
I didn’t mean white folks are the only ones who turn racist any time they try to celebrate their cultural heritage.
I meant that for a lot of movements that celebrate cultural heritage, for the various caucasion cultures, you’ve constantly gotta be on guard against some racist using it for his own means.
Whether it’s skinheads showing up at the St Paddy’s Day parade, Aryan Brotherhood prisoners in jail practicing Asatru (heathenism) and getting it put on the hategroup watchlist, or NeoNazis crashing a Wagnerian revival of Ring of Troth; a couple boneheads can make you regret even trying to learn about your culture.
John Dee is pre pre pre any of those victorian occultists.
he was an Elizabethan era science advisor and astrologist to the Queen of England (QE1)
he was also the reputed founder of organized Rosicrucianism.
read more on this quirky fella here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dee
Interesting character in the scheme of western occult practices.
For info on what hitler was into occult wise, look up the Thule society and info on the Vril. keep an open mind. And yes, Hitler and his cronies sent out expeditions across the world to antartica to search for agartha, to tibet to find secrets, to india to learn secrets, everywhere. He was obsessed with these things.
Not to mention there’s no difference between the Japanese people who were as patriotic and zealous in the 1940s as Americans are today… or any other people at any other time in any other place.
Evil, murder, and shame are the crops reaped when the seeds of hatred and jealousy are sown in the heart of Man.