Hi everybody, i’m new here and i would like to hear opinions or suggests around the structure test described by Sifu Robert Chu in his web site, i mean the palm pressure on chest during Yee Jee Kim Yeung Ma.
I practice wong shun leung wing chun, i learned the importance of structure, but i must admit that i fail that test, no matter how i try to straight the spinal column, using the pelvic tilt, lowering the stance ecc… i can stand very well the pressure on my hands, i know how redirect the energy but i can’t dissipate it standing in yjkym during a pression on my chest. Your suggests are welcome. Apologize me for my english, i’m not native speaker. Regards
[QUOTE=old wang;1208982]Hi everybody, i’m new here and i would like to hear opinions or suggests around the structure test described by Sifu Robert Chu in his web site, i mean the palm pressure on chest during Yee Jee Kim Yeung Ma.
I practice wong shun leung wing chun, i learned the importance of structure, but i must admit that i fail that test, no matter how i try to straight the spinal column, using the pelvic tilt, lowering the stance ecc… i can stand very well the pressure on my hands, i know how redirect the energy but i can’t dissipate it standing in yjkym during a pression on my chest. Your suggests are welcome. Apologize me for my english, i’m not native speaker. Regards[/QUOTE]
I would not worry to much about it, because their are many variables to any kind of push . From the pictures it is misleading.
It depends who is pushing and how good their push is and then you can do many different things to keep from being pushed.
But you should eventually be able to neutralize and return a well aimed push if your skill is improving .
[QUOTE=old wang;1208982]Hi everybody, i’m new here and i would like to hear opinions or suggests around the structure test described by Sifu Robert Chu in his web site, i mean the palm pressure on chest during Yee Jee Kim Yeung Ma.
I practice wong shun leung wing chun, i learned the importance of structure, but i must admit that i fail that test, no matter how i try to straight the spinal column, using the pelvic tilt, lowering the stance ecc… i can stand very well the pressure on my hands, i know how redirect the energy but i can’t dissipate it standing in yjkym during a pression on my chest. Your suggests are welcome. Apologize me for my english, i’m not native speaker. Regards[/QUOTE]
I don’t know who your sifu is. Good structure that is both strong and flexible is important in good wing chun.
Get a sifu who knows how to test structure to help you.
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I don’t know who your sifu is. Good structure that is both strong and flexible is important in good wing chun.
Get a sifu who knows how to test structure to help you.[/QUOTE]
Well, he is a very good one and showed me this test many times but as i said before i can’t pass it. I just like to have some suggest from somebody able to resist this kind of pressure on the chest to understand how improve it.
My advice would be to try to feel the direction of the push. In my experience if the push is straight back or slightly down you can dissipate by adjusting the angle of your upper body and the position of the hips relative to your feet. If the push is upwards you can’t dissipate it, you can oppose it by sinking and forwarding or you can yield by rotating but you can’t dissipate it.
[QUOTE=wingchunIan;1209046]My advice would be to try to feel the direction of the push. In my experience if the push is straight back or slightly down you can dissipate by adjusting the angle of your upper body and the position of the hips relative to your feet. If the push is upwards you can’t dissipate it, you can oppose it by sinking and forwarding or you can yield by rotating but you can’t dissipate it.[/QUOTE]
Its all stemming from; your stance structural integrity, while being honest to yourself before you even starts to test your stance. If your stances structure doesnt support the idea of rerouting forward vector force, then no matter how many times you test it, it will never work.
If some reason your stance structure doesnt support forward vector force; try this one instead. Not saying its the say all be all stance. But it really reroutes forward vector force to the floor.
NOTE: about 75% of this is trained mentally
The main keys are bolded *
Step.1
When being pushed in the chest, *focus on being relaxed. This will take time because Im not there to help you. *Make your body truck very long by bringing your keens about a fist apart; this will truly help you separate your upper and lower extremities by keeping the thighs very relaxed. And it would help develop a very strong heavy base within the lower extremities, while maintaining the idea of staying bottom heavy which helps supplement and develops very soft upper extremities.
Step. 2
When you feel oncoming force applied to your mother line, *try not to fight it right off, but separate your upper and lower extremities mentally to reroute energy by keeping the thighs relaxed and try not to let the chin move upward and only tilt it down when you feel the integrity of the mother line failing (but only to a level position), and make sure the elbows stays dipped (completely downward) and shoulders completely rounded. Its a lot more that I could tell you, but this is really all you need to get started with.
[QUOTE=old wang;1209040]Well, he is a very good one and showed me this test many times but as i said before i can’t pass it. I just like to have some suggest from somebody able to resist this kind of pressure on the chest to understand how improve it.[/QUOTE]
Puzzled. If your instructor is good he should be able to adjust you.
There is nothing complicated at all about what I’d wrote, all based on 5th through 8th grade math, and nothing more, try not to look at the triangles and arrows if youre having problems with the math.
I understand what youre saying Joy, and it is puzzling, but its obvious he needs help or he wouldnt asks? I dont think hes trolling; it just doesnt come off that way, not insinuating that you think he is ether (trolling).
To me, it wouldnt make a difference if he has a teacher or not. It is tradition that a warrior who understands himself and the way of combat would prefer only to help then hurt.
Im not trying to take anything away from you at all. you know your stuff.
Just that on the net there is likely to be a lot of conflicting and confusing opinions.
A simple process that by trial and error can get him there is to have a friend or partner
gently push him with a hand at chest level from the front, back and two sides while he is in
yee gee kim yeung ma- and have him feel the force and adjust-pelvis slight tuck, back straight,
head up, chun in, knees in a comfortable wedge not too in,quads not tight, tummy not tight.not leaning backward or forward,
True, and I also think that the stance structural integrity plays a major roll as well, giving plenty of room for adjustment as one is only fighting against himself in rerouting energy to the floor, when ones original structural arrangement clearly will not allow it. (fu*ked from the start).
If one has to make drastic changes to their stance to reroute energy to the floor, then their normal stance/structure is not suitable for combat (Wing Chun).
[QUOTE=old wang;1208982]Hi everybody, i’m new here and i would like to hear opinions or suggests around the structure test described by Sifu Robert Chu in his web site, i mean the palm pressure on chest during Yee Jee Kim Yeung Ma.
I practice wong shun leung wing chun, i learned the importance of structure, but i must admit that i fail that test, no matter how i try to straight the spinal column, using the pelvic tilt, lowering the stance ecc… i can stand very well the pressure on my hands, i know how redirect the energy but i can’t dissipate it standing in yjkym during a pression on my chest. Your suggests are welcome. Apologize me for my english, i’m not native speaker. Regards[/QUOTE]
There are limits to all techniques, including a basic stance, knowing when to change is not about resistance to change but knowing the time to execute..in balance, with force to strike at all times.
I don’t think the test is a bad thing, and I try to use some of Robert and Alan Orr’s structural ideas in my own WC training, but IMO some basic standup wrestling training will instill basic structural ideas far quicker than many other things.
Do people regularly come up to you in the street and push your chest with one hand? If no, don’t agonise over it.
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Do people regularly come up to you in the street and push your chest with one hand? If no, don’t agonise over it.[/QUOTE]
This.
I mean, having a good stance is important, but I wouldn’t let this whole “test” get to my head. If anything, worry about why anyone fighting you would be able to place their entire palm on your chest in the first place.
IMHO, if you spar with decent resistance from your opponents and you dont fall over, I’d say that’s a good sign.
I understand what youre saying, but if one can reroute energy from pointblank on the mother line, by understanding how to separate their upper and lower extremities mentally, and receiving energy with softness and to reroute it with firm but springy support of the torso and upper extremities. Then, it will travel to the bottom of ones solid foundation of a stance.
Then one would find it very easy to dissipate forward vector force through the limbs, while channeling energy to the bottom of their stance with a block, strike or even Da.
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1209095]There are limits to all techniques, including a basic stance, knowing when to change is not about resistance to change but knowing the time to execute..in balance, with force to strike at all times.[/QUOTE]
Agree completely and actually much prefer to yield / redirect and being able to choose and knowing your limits is essential