[QUOTE=lunghushan;737221]What kind of sticks are they using? Doesn’t seem like usual dog brothers hard sticks.[/QUOTE]
Soft sticks… padded and wrapped with duct tape. A good way for beginners to learn to spar without getting overwhelmed by the pain from getting hit with hard sticks.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;737222]Soft sticks… padded and wrapped with duct tape. A good way for beginners to learn to spar without getting overwhelmed by the pain from getting hit with hard sticks.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I dunno. I haven’t watched any Dog Bros stuff in a while but these guys have no skill whatsoever. It looks more like they’re doing western style saber fighting than stick fighting.
It does look like they’re having a lot of fun, though.
[QUOTE=Oso;737391]lol, there’s only so many ways to swing a stick…[/QUOTE]
Yeah but look at kali – stick fighting is hitting, trapping, pummelling, and the footwork’s not jumping around like they’re doing – their footwork and what they’re doing looks a lot more like saber fighting with all the forward and backward and stuff.
Not saying they probably aren’t having a lot of fun but it don’t look like stick fighting. But what do I know … since the sprawl is obviously the best tackling defense since sliced bred. :rolleyes:
You know, I caught that flick Idiocracy the other day, and I have to say that it’s not like that’s happening in the future. That’s pretty much the state of things right now.
all i’m saying is that just like any other martial ‘art’ that uses pre-arranged drills for learning; the drills will fall away as soon as real contact is tried…in a proportional gradiant to the time trained in said ‘art’.
and, besides, even though there are lots of fancy twirling drills with exotic names to them…basic arnis/kali/escrima also has
swing it left to right
swing it up and down
swing it from 1:30 to 7:30
swing it from 7:30 to 1:30
swing it from 10:30 to 4:30
swing it from 4:30 to 10:30
and blocking all of those with reciprocal movements
your basic 8 direction cutting/hitting found in most sword arts
[QUOTE=Oso;737418]all i’m saying is that just like any other martial ‘art’ that uses pre-arranged drills for learning; the drills will fall away as soon as real contact is tried…in a proportional gradiant to the time trained in said ‘art’.
and, besides, even though there are lots of fancy twirling drills with exotic names to them…basic arnis/kali/escrima also has
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I guess it boils down to a conversation I had with somebody recently. He said he was watching a show on authentic western sword fighting from sword fighting manuals, and said, “Wow, they used to actually hit with the hilt of the sword.”
I said, “Well where do you think they got the term pummelling?” And he looked at me with a blank stare, and then said something to the regards of “Pummelling means hitting with fists.”
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
And what is the non-blade end of the the sword called??? It’s like people have forgotten how they used to fight or something. And then they ‘rediscover’ it in MMA. :rolleyes:
Like these guys are sparring. It’s obvious they don’t have anything down yet. They don’t have any real idea how to work with a stick. They’re just getting used to the idea of hitting stick on stick, and a little bit of footwork, and then they’re sparring.
But it does look like they’re having a lot of fun. Next they can start the Chinese stickfighting league and start saying that only their stuff works and it’s the pinnacle of stickfighting. LOL
[QUOTE=Oso;737423]how exactly does this conversation about stick fighting boil down to what you just said?[/QUOTE]
Like I said, now they can start a stickfighting league and think they know everything about stick fighting after attending a Dog Brothers seminar.
Hell, it works for MMA. They attend a couple of years of martial arts from sucky teachers, decide it doesn’t work so they go to boxing and some submission grappling and decide that’s ‘real’ fighting and everything else sucks.
So the stick fighters can start their own stick fighting league.
[QUOTE=lunghushan;737427]Like I said, now they can start a stickfighting league and think they know everything about stick fighting after attending a Dog Brothers seminar.
[B]where are they claiming they do?
and, if I’m not mistaken (and, I may be) Crafty Dog and others are all traditionally trained in filipine stick/blade fighting.
so, why wouldn’t a DB seminar be a good place to start learning FMA?[/B]
Hell, it works for MMA. They attend a couple of years of martial arts from sucky teachers, decide it doesn’t work so they go to boxing and some submission grappling and decide that’s ‘real’ fighting and everything else sucks.
and, generally, within the same amount of time at said boxing/submisson schools, they ARE better fighters.
So the stick fighters can start their own stick fighting league.[/QUOTE]
okaaayy…so, they learn some basics from a seminar…what better way to get better at those basics then trying to actually trade real blows with them?
[QUOTE=Oso;737432]okaaayy…so, they learn some basics from a seminar…what better way to get better at those basics then trying to actually trade real blows with them?[/QUOTE]
Wait until the’re better. Sparring before you’re ready just enforces bad habits. That’s why most everybody just spars with basic punching and kicking because they can’t use anything else.
[QUOTE=lunghushan;737433]Wait until the’re better. Sparring before you’re ready just enforces bad habits. That’s why most everybody just spars with basic punching and kicking because they can’t use anything else.[/QUOTE]
that would not only be the opposite of correct…it would be wrong.
you suggest that the beginning material is wrong…that they need to wait till they learn whatever you think ‘anthing else’ is before they can spar.
i start my students out learning to throw straight, hook and uppercut punches; front, round and side kicks and 1 basic throw…and appropriate defenses against them…as soon as they can reasonably drill those with a partner and on pads, if they want to spar, they can…with that material…as they learn and drill more stuff, they can add to their toolbox…meanwhile, they keep sparring…and screwing up while sparring…and learning the basics of timing, distancing etc.
no one will ever learn to apply the so called ‘advanced’ techniques of anything if they don’t immediately start trying to apply the basics.
[QUOTE=Oso;737435]that would not only be the opposite of correct…it would be wrong.
you suggest that the beginning material is wrong…that they need to wait till they learn whatever you think ‘anthing else’ is before they can spar.
i start my students out learning to throw straight, hook and uppercut punches; front, round and side kicks and 1 basic throw…and appropriate defenses against them…as soon as they can reasonably drill those with a partner and on pads, if they want to spar, they can…with that material…as they learn and drill more stuff, they can add to their toolbox…meanwhile, they keep sparring…and screwing up while sparring…and learning the basics of timing, distancing etc.[/QUOTE]
Okay, so when your so-called ‘advanced’ students spar, what do they use, then? I mean, I seldom come across and almost never in MMA matches any techniques other than basic punching and kicking in standup. Once in a while you’ll see a backfist or something, but that’s about it.
wow, you’re totally awesome at pulling what you want to hear from a post.
i don’t have any ‘advanced’ students really, my most senior adult student has just been with me two years.
and I didn’t say that I did or that they utilized anything different from newbies…hopefully, they use the same stuff, just slightly better.
i tell my students in the beginning that all the tools they need to become as good a fighter as they have the heart to be are available to them in the first few months. they just have to want to endure the conditioning needed to be a good fighter and be willing to get hit hard by someone within 10-15 pounds of their own weight.
the rest is icing on the cake and if they can add one ‘extra’ thing to their toolbox every couple of months, then they are doing well.
[QUOTE=Oso;737441]wow, you’re totally awesome at pulling what you want to hear from a post.
i don’t have any ‘advanced’ students really, my most senior adult student has just been with me two years.
and I didn’t say that I did or that they utilized anything different from newbies…hopefully, they use the same stuff, just slightly better.
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Or in other words, most all of your students will just do basic punching and kicking. Of course, that doesn’t prove the argument, because it will be a rare student who goes beyond 2 years with you anyway.
but, yea, I agree, it will be the rare student who does more than two years with me…[/QUOTE]
I mean, do you see what is happening here? You teach them the basics, they go away, meantime a lot of people start schools that only teach the basics and MMA looks at CMA and thinks, “those guys suck.” Well why do CMAists mostly suck? Because they wasted their time on forms and did nothing in sparring beyond basics.
Since they never learn anything beyond the basics, MMAists think the basics are the state of the art. Which, since nobody uses anything else in fighting, they ARE the state of the art. And so it goes.
But yeah, anyway, what we were talking about? Oh, yeah, a bunch of stick-fighters who will go off and start a stick fighting league now that they’ve had a dog brothers seminar.
Some of them will probably start applying OODA to stick fighting and say it’s better than Kali. LOL
