Originally posted by horserider
Wentwest and Sihing73 your comments prove my point. We are not talking about the same thing at all. It is the fact that you did not see or understand the difference that is the proof of what I say.
Actually, you haven’t proven your point at all (and I certainly haven’t proven your point for you). What you seem to consider “facts” are simply your conclusions given a set of assumptions. Furthermore, these assumptions are based on faulty logic.
Originally posted by horserider
To use Wentwests example. hendrix wrapped his thumb because he had large hands and wrapping the thumb over the top of the neck makes it very easy to play 9th cords for example. It also allowed Jimii to do many other things that made him unique but his songs always remained firm in their blues based structure. He did not just play any note he stayed within the key or its relative key.
So how is this different than two Wing Chun practitioners using slightly different stances to achieve the same end goal?
For purposes of this example, let’s say our 2 WC guys are each delivering a right punch to the face while simultaneously deflecting the opponent’s right hook with a left biu sau).
The 1st WC guy uses TWC stance (or evenly weighted 50/50 forward stance). He does this because he believes that being rooted in this type of stance is a solid foundation and it better allows him to steal his opponent’s balance while executing the biu + punch). End result = successfully deflected hook coupled with successfully delivered punch.
The 2nd WC guy uses a stance that favors weighting the rear leg (say 70/30). He believes this allows him to be more mobile if he needs to shift or move quickly, and also to be better protected from an attempted sweep of his front leg. End result = successfully deflected hook coupled with successfully delivered punch.
Both guys get the job done.
Isn’t this just like two musicians? 1st is a purist and plays his 9th chords the traditional way (maybe he has smaller hands) and the 2nd uses his thumb over the top of the neck a la Hendrix (maybe he has bigger hands). End result = same sounding 9th chord, while each used slightly different biomechanics and philosophies behind the biomechanics to achieve the same goal. Different biomechancis worked for each because that is how they each practice and train (and ultimately what makes them each feel comfortable).
Originally posted by horserider
Physical attributes are what allows each of us to make wing chun our own but The core of wing chun is the same for all. I am taking about use of the body at its basic level. use of bones and tendons. The alignment of the skeleton.
Right… so we ARE saying the same thing, except that YOU’RE proving MY point.
In the case of the 2 musicians, they are certainly using the bones and tendons of their hands in very different manners, and the skeletal structure of their hands are aligned differently.
Same for the 2 WC guys in our example. Their respective stances utilize different skeletal alignments, use of bones & tendons, etc.
Originally posted by horserider
Agin I ask you can you take your stance and your footwork and with no changes play golf or baseball with it. Or try racquet ball or better yet handball. If you can not use your stance and footwork to do these other physical activites well without making and changes your stance and footwork are not correct.
Hold your horse there Horserider… This makes no sense to me. First of all, Wing Chun and playing tennis or baseball, racquetball or handball all have very different goals with very different optimal biomechanics to accomplish these goals. Baseball (at least hitting) might be the closest example to Wing Chun in some ways. At least in hitting a baseball (as in hitting a person), the power comes from your stance, and the use of your legs, hips, waist, etc. to maximize the power transfered to the ball - similar to maximizing power transfered to a person’s face 
The thing is though, the batter will always stay in one place until one of three things occurs - he hits the ball, he swings and misses or he doesn’t swing and the catcher catches the ball. Movement is only necessary after he hits the ball. In WC, one can not simply stand in one place until the opponent comes to you… not all opponents are so obliging 
In the case of tennis, racquetball or handball, one is often swinging at the ball while in mid stride, or while running. This is possible because they don’t have to worry about the small mass of the ball taking their balance in the way that an opponent can take yours. I would argue that you can use many more varieties of “stances” to accomplish the goal of hitting a small ball in one of these types of games. Take any number of pro tennis players, and watch their biomechanics in slow motion… sometimes they hit the ball while in mid leap! That’s something you wouldn’t want to do with WC. Leave that to the Wushu or TKD guys.
Originally posted by horserider …there is no excuse or agrument that can be made unless you are physically deformed or not human. Your speed strength etc are a different thing and icing on the cake.
My argument above is certainly not an “excuse,” but it handily disproves these concluions you’ve drawn from your logic flawed assumptions
Originally posted by horserider [B]Or take cake. wing chun is like cake. all cake has flour and egg.( please dont reach for low carb or low fat etc etc).
after the flour and egg then you add the flavor ,nuts etc . Wing chun is same. All wing chun have same flour and egg then each family add its own flavor. Problem is so few have the flour and egg
Hope my english makes Anerlich happy now. [/B]
Well, I partially agree with you… different lineages of Wing Chun all share some basic ingredients, however not all cakes baked with similar core ingredients taste the same. After all, it’s the other stuff that you add to those core ingredients that shape the true flavor of the cake. This doesn’t necessarily mean that one cake is better than the next… remember that not all cakes appeal to all cake eating practitioners, after all.
Finally, you can bake a cake with different types of eggs. It’s still a core ingredient, but one person may use duck or goose eggs, while many prefer chicken eggs. The end products are still cakes! The cakes WILL all have a slightly different flavors, but one couldn’t say that they any of them aren’t cakes simply because a slightly different core ingredient (egg type) was used. Substitute “stance types” for “egg types,” and you’ll get my point.
. Or maybe they felt sorry for me.