Okay,first I must admit I was looking
at the VTAA forum(it must be the masochist in me). anyway,Somewhere among the
sh*t-slinging, a question of weigh distribution
and having your rear heal off the ground
was posed.The original poster said he found that
while fighting at close to max effort,he found
himself taking up a 50/50 weight distribution
and raising his rear heel off the floor.(this
of course is in a side on fighting stance).
I argued that this was a bad habit,as having
body weight on your lead leg makes you
vulnerable to sweeps and other chi gerk attacks,
and introduces a small delay in the use of your
lead leg for kicking,as you must first transfer
your body weight to the rear leg.I also argued that having your rear heel off the ground raises your center of gravity,and moves it forward,placing even more weight on the lead leg,
therefore making you even more susceptible.
of course I was flamed(VTAA etiquette,you know).
what do you guys think? am I off base?
Please give logical arguments for and against
this guy’s “hybrid” stance with facts and
examples if possible.
thanks.
tell u what,
there’s no need to press
the enter key
at the end of the line
ok? capiche?
It’s like REALLY
annoying and it makes
it really hard
to read what you’re
saying. So i gave up.
Don’t have it in one
long paragraph either.
I dunno why people do this.
Its just… why would someone
go out their way to press
the enter key when infact,
OBVIOUSLY it’s gonna wrap the
text, what did you think
it was just gonna go
on forever?
Edd
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I don’t like scrolling side to side to read something.I find it aggravating.
did you ever watch EEK the cat?
Off base?
Yes, you’re off base. Broaden your Wing Chun, don’t limit it.
It formats automatically!!!
Hi Mikey!
To get back to topic:
First of all, there are many different meanings on that: in WT you learn to put the whole weight on your rear-leg due to the ideas you mentioned. In VT they put the weight always in the middle to get a better foundation.
Which one is right? Both and none. Look, your stance is just a tool - different situations, different tools.
If you’re “far” away from your opponent (meaning more than kicking-distance) you shouldn’t put your weight on the rear leg and put out the front leg - it’ll be a target.
If you’re very close, like body-contact, it’s easier to off-balance your opponent and to destroy his structure by bringing your weight to the middle or even the front leg.
Wing Chun/Ving Tsun/Wing Tsun, shortly, the whole style has different stances, e. g. the YJKYMa (normal Form-Stance), the forward-stance (can’t remember the chinese name), a side-stance, even an open T-stance, a short stance, a very short stance, … (oh boy, just take a look at the forms!)
You should take your stance as that what it is: a training stance.
Greetings,
Armin.
I find that in a stance with your weight on the back leg it’s easier to get tackled or shot in on. I prefer the 50/50 stance unless i’m kicking someone, simpely because I don’t like to stand still when I fight and the more even distribution seems to offer me more mobility.
at my old skool they said 90% of weight on da back leg.
This was so that if someone tried to sweep the leg, or kick the leg it wouldn’t get sweepe/broken respectively.
There were other reasons, but i thought they were bullshit. It’s like pushing sleeping cows with those guys. GIVEN EM A SALL PUSH N OVER THEY’D GO.
and another thing - you fight like u train, why train in a stance if ur not gonna use it? I
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I used to train in a school that uses 100/0, but now I’m in a school that uses 50/50. I prefer the latter for the following reasons:
- Your leg gets saw standing on one leg, how can you fully relax?
- In Chi Sao I found that on a 100/0 distribution against someone from a 50/50, all they had to do was follow my centre of gravity (which turns from left to right as I turn) and I was easily off balanced.
- The theory of absorbing the oponents force into the stance doesnt work. If a 50/50 applies downward pressure the 100/0 collapses, whereas applying downward pressure on a 50/50 actually makes the stance stronger and they can off balance the person pushing down on them.
- A 100/0 person will say that a 50/50 person is vunerable to a knee or leg lock applied to the outside, but actually they have to get to that position first and thats difficult as it takes a few moves to get around.
- And as Mikey said your not as manourverable on one leg, sure you can kick faster from ONE leg, but not from the other. To move you have to put the weight back on the front leg while taking the weight off the back leg.
I’m hardly an authority, and there is probably a lot more to the 100/0 stance than there appears to be. This is just what I found from a very short time of practicing with 50/50 students.
I also personally think that 50/50 is how Yip Man probably taught Wing Chun, as it is how Wong Shun Leung, Chu Shong Tin and aparently Lok Yu, Leung Shong and Victor Kan taught.
At the end of the day though i guess it comes down to what ever works.
What do you guys think?
i like the 100/0, and i think it works.
So there 
some point per point responses
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR> 1. Your leg gets saw standing on one leg, how can you fully relax? [/quote]
practice 
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR> 3. The theory of absorbing the oponents force into the stance doesnt work. [/quote]
it does if …
- you are “relaxed” and “sitting” in your stance.
- you have abduction betwwen the knees and a connection between the knees and elbows.
- following chie sau your elbows are in and you have good forward presure.
- you have good mobility, a point i feel the 100/0 distribution grants, with practice of course.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR> 5. And as Mikey said your not as manourverable on one leg, sure you can kick faster from ONE leg, but not from the other. To move you have to put the weight back on the front leg while taking the weight off the back leg. [/quote]
whats so great is not kicking faster, so much as kicking with least effort and in the most efficent way possible. As for mobility remeber “every step is an implied kick, and every kick is an implied step” so from a 100/0 i can step with “least” effort.
As for fast kicking with the rear leg, why? why kick someone with the rear leg when the front leg is right there, hopefuly already in contact with the oponents stance, assme your opponent has a stance (read many "kung fu fighting posts on main forum)
Sharky-
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR> There were other reasons, but i thought they were bullshit. It’s like pushing sleeping cows with those guys. GIVEN EM A SALL PUSH N OVER THEY’D GO.
and another thing - you fight like u train, why train in a stance if ur not gonna use it? I
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LOL sleeping cows! :eek: ive had a few dudes push me around in my 100/0 stance before and have remained upright. Sounds like they were “floating” in the stance and lacked a good “root”
and dont worry, if i get into a fight, im gonna use it
nothing i said should be taken as my stance is better than your stance. I use a 50/50 in the YCKMY and a 80/20 in a “turning stance.” its just in “hal ma” ive been taught the 100/0.
as for lifting the heel, yeah i think that would move yor center of grvity up and in front of the foot. in a 100/0 stance the center of gravity in above the point just behind the ball of the foot, and the heel is down this protects against throws and allows for certian types of force to be generated that haveng no stance just does not allow for.
Your points make sense.
But I still disagree on the downward pressure absorbing. I could go into how it was demonstrated on me but that would take ages. Instead I’ll just say that I couldn’t hold this persons weight under one leg, let alone control his balance. Moving forward under this pressure was almost impossible. However even with me putting all my weight on the other person (no particular stance) he could move me back easily.
Actually I think 100/0 can be faster and more manuverable than 50/50. I was referring more to the split second when you need to go in either direction. Like a tennis player must decide when the ball is coming, they stand 50/50(I know WC is a far cry from tennis).
This conversation could go on forever. And words dont do conversations like this any justice. On the other forum this conversation went for pages and pages.
Each lineage has different emphasis.
Mike Teg:
You say that the 100/0 distribution can be faster? You don’t see anybody else standing straight up in a 100/0 stance. Basketball players would get left behind. Baseball, football etc etc. When you are at 50/50 you can go either way. You can spring off either leg in either direction, as opposed to the 100/0 where you can only push off of one leg.
50/50 100/0
These stances are all relative.
In W.C there are both these weight distributions.
For example in yckmy you use 50/50 for stability.
to kick from this stance the weight has to be 100/0 for you to lift the kicking leg!!!
So moving there is a momentarily shift of weight,
then 50/50.
So to say you favour one from another doesn’t make much sense IMHO.
no
i was told to be pretty much all my weight on the back leg, all the time.
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the horse
Whenever I think of the horse and it’s structure; three things come to mind - balance,strength and mobility. IMO missing any of these elements makes for a weak horse.
Regarding weight distribution with the horse - I think the one we’re all talking about is with one leg in front and one in rear and facing the opponent. I was taught the weight distribution to be about 55-60 on the rear leg and 40-45 being up front. I feel that I am more mobile this way because the changing of the weight distribution from one leg to the other is alot faster this way, easier to conceal, and very stable throughout the change. IMO the balance and the strength of the horse in it’s stationary position is far greater also.
And why would’nt you kick from your rear leg also? Don’t you punch from your rear hand at all?
I follow not only what my instructor teaches, but most importantly - what makes the most sense to me. Just my humble opinion. 
When you carry weight on your front leg, how do you intercept a kick from someone who carries no weight on their front leg? Or do you just absorb it and hope for the best?
Range
why would you stay at his kicking range?
If he is outside his kicking range and moves in to kick, Why have you not reated?
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“When you carry your weight on your front leg, how do you intercept a kick from someone who carries no weight on their front leg? Or do you just absorb it and hope for the best.”
Hmmm…let’s see. How about I wait for this one legged hopping person to get into my range first before I jam and kick him from my (God forbid) rear leg.
Or maybe I could sidestep him to his backside/blindside and attack him while he’s off balance trying to catch up with me.
How about I “absorb” the weak snapping kick I’ve seen from this stance with a downward elbow into the bony part of his instep?
One good reply deserves another!
It was a serious question. I thought I would ask it, instead of simply condemning you 50/50 guys as a bunch of jokers.
Hmmm…let’s see. How about I wait for this one legged hopping person to get into my range first before I jam and kick him from my (God forbid) rear leg.
Have you actually done this? Once my front leg is close enough to your front leg, you are going to race me with your rear leg? You must be very fast!
Or maybe I could sidestep him to his backside/blindside and attack him while he’s off balance trying to catch up with me.
You can move all the way around me, before I can lift up my unweighted leg? You must be The Flash!
How about I “absorb” the weak snapping kick I’ve seen from this stance with a downward elbow into the bony part of his instep?
That might work against Shaolin Wing Chun! Otherwise, you will be dropping your elbow to knee level. :eek: I don’t believe that is a very good strategy, even in a fantasy world!
One good reply deserves another!
Yes, and I’m still waiting. :rolleyes:
50/50
The main advantage I have found in using 50/50 is that it is harder for someone to take you down. People who keep all or most of their weight on the back leg are a grapplers dream and very easy to shoot in and do a single leg on. The thing is that even if they get off a kick, which most usually don’t, your momentum is usually enough to take them down anyway.
“Gong Sao Mo Gong Ching Sao”
- When you talk with the hands,
best not to speak of polite hands.
50/50 distribution might make sense while someone is trying to take you down. However, it takes a small fraction of a second to shift from 90/10 to 50/50, a much shorter period then it takes to make an entry. So why maintain 50/50 at all times?