hey fu pow : maybe we can put all the names in a song , like the pokemon 's song .
choy lay fut weapons . . . . collect them all !!!
speaking of weapons ; do you see the straightsword form that tat mau wong show in his panther video ? the form is pretty but too short for a sword form , anybody knows if the form was cut in some parts ? the complete name is muy fah darn gim ?
This gim form that you speak off is very basic. Sifu taught it to his daughters and some of the girls in the school. His daughters have forgotten it. None of us guys in the US learned this form, nor wanted to for that matter.
Peace.
Fu-Pow:
I was looking at your weapon list and wanted to tell you that Tang Lung Cheung is not a Yow Cheung but rather a Jau Cheong or left side spear. We do have a Yow Cheung as well. Another form in the LKH lineage is Won Hop Cheung which was passed on the Lee Koon Hung from Shek Kin. This is a northern spear form and is far more advanced and difficult than any of the spear forms in our lineage.
Also Siu Lum Kwun is not a CLF form but rather a Jing Mo form.
What do you call the double broadsword form from our lineage? We call it Sheung Loong Do (i didn’t see it mentioned so I thought maybe you call it a different name).
Peace.
Shaolin Pole- Jing Mo ???
Hi CLFNole,
You mentioned:
"Also Siu Lum Kwun is not a CLF form but rather a Jing Mo form. "
Can you tell me more about this form ?
How many movements ?
Is there a section where you hit 5 short strikes to the heart rapid-fire ?
Do you hit the ground with the stick then flip it up in the air and catch the other end of the stick, near the conclusion of the set ?
I have a Shaolin Pole from a master who taught in the Canton Jing Mo in the 30’s. It is also known as “Dey Sat Kwun”
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
Buddhapalm
BuddhaPalm:
No that sounds like a different form than the one I know. Siu Lum Kwun is found in a couple of different systems. It is a very basic 2-head staff that teaches the basic blocking and striking techniques as well as how to slide your hands and manipulate the staff.
Peace.
CLF Nole-
What do you call the double broadsword form from our lineage? We call it Sheung Loong Do
We call the broadswords the same thing. I think when I initially made the list I was under the impression that they may have been called by one of the other names. However, Sifu Mak later told me that he wasn’t sure where our double broadswords comes from but he doesn’t think that it is CLF. He also mentioned that our broadswords looks a lot like Lam Chan Fai’s double broadsword form which might indicate that it has some other Southern style origin either Hung Ga or Hung Fut or Jow Ga or something else.
I’m a little confused what you are saying about the spear forms.
On our curriculum Sifu Mak mentions two spear forms which are Mui Fah Sup Sam Cheung and Tang Lung Cheung. I’ve heard the Tang Lung Cheung referred to as “Yow Cheung” is it actually “Jo Cheung.” Is there another CLF spear form in our lineage?
Also, what do you mean by Jing Mo? Sifu doesn’t teach Siu Lum Guan.
Thanks,
Fu Pow:
Jing Mo or Ching Woo as it is known in Madarian is where Siu Lum Kuwn originates. I am guessing that Sifu Mak would teach Bien Gwai Kwun as the 1st staff form since this is the most basic CLF staff set in our curriculum. Siu Lum Kwun is even more basic teaching both basic strikes and blocks as well as how to manipulate the staff.
As far as the spear forms go, we have 3 CLF and 1 northern form from from Shek Kin. The 1st learned is Sup Sam Cheung or Moi Fah Sup Sam Cheung. The 2nd I learned was Tang Loong Cheung which is basically the form from Sifu’s book. This is a left handed spear form and was referred to a Jau Cheung or Left Side Spear in the old days. The 3rd form I learned was from Li Siu Hung called Yow Cheung or Right Side Spear. This form is very similar to a staff form and was likely based from staff techniques.
Don’t know which ones you guys teach but Tang Loong Cheung is done with the left hand leading and thus is a Jau Cheung.
Li Siu Hung also told me that our double broadsword form may have had its origins from Hung Gar, however it was likely incorporated by one of Lee Koon Hung’s sifu’s since he was known to demonstrate this form at a young age.
Peace
CLFNole
“With hands fear the young man, with staff fear the old man”
i’d see the hung sing butterfly knives form from master doc fai wong and is very different from the one performing by tat mau wong . the two forms show the hidden elbow butterfly swords technique , but in a different way .
clf nole do you know if the tat wong’s form become from the hung sing branch ?
what do you know about the butterfly knives vs spear form ?
What does “Tang Loong” mean? That’s not praying mantis, is it?
CLFNole, you’ve mentioned that LKH got some forms from Shek Kin…what was his style? He’s not CLF is he? Obviously, it really had an impact on LKH, since he decided to incorporate those forms into his curriculum.
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Rain:
Not sure where our butterfly sword form comes from only that its CLF and was passed on to use by Sifu. As far the 2-man form you were talking about its Double Broadsword vs. Spear. TMW likes to do it with Butterfly Knives instead. This is a pretty good 2-man weapon set, however kwan do vs. spear is much better.
123:
Tang Loong means something like spinning or whirling dragon hence the name for the book. Shek Kin was a northern stylist having learned 5 styles: Low Horn Moon, Tong Long, Ying Jow, Siu Lum and the 5th I always forget the name. It is some kind of palming style that you don’t see much today. As far as incorporating his forms into the curriculum, regular students would rarely learn any of his forms. Maybe the 3-section staff if they stuck around long enough and that hasn’t happened yet. His forms nowadays are taught to basically instructors only. Hope this helps.
Peace.
Rain-
Just so you know my Sifu Mak Fai doesn’t teach the Shek Kin stuff because he never learned it. Don’t feel bad, there is enough purely CLF stuff to keep us all busy for a while.
CLFNole-
Interesting about the Butterfly knife vs. Spear set. I didn’t know that it was really for broadswords. I’ve seen the Guan Do vs. Spear set performed by Liu Siu Hung and Sow Choy…that was wicked awesome:D !!!
Yau Sam 
Fu Pow-
Your Sifu doesn’t teach the 3-section staff form?
Regarding combat forms: What combat hand sets are in the LKH lineage? I know TMW has a Siu Mui Fah Dwei Chuk (although, the moves in there look more like the moves in Siu Sub Ji).
He also has a Sil Lum Gwun Dwei Chuk. Is this in your standard curriculum?
Thanks,
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Shek Kin
Shek Kin,
I can say that one of his styles was Northern Lohan Moon system, he was a student of the famous Lohan Moon Master, Sun Yuk Fung / Sun YuFeng (Saber King of Seven Provinces).
I believe he also practiced Mizong Quan / Mi Zhong Kuen.
Any more info on him would be great.
Is he still alive ? If so where can he be found ?
Cheers
Buddhapalm
Shek Kin is in his 80s now, he lives in Hong Kong. He doesn’t practice anymore due to his age and trouble with his legs. I hear he is still a fountain of knowledge when it comes to talking about kung fu.
He was supposed to have witnessed the incident when Ku Yu Jeong killed the horse with his iron palm strike.
I don’t think he practise mizong, i listed the styles earlier my spellin of Lohan was different. (Law Horn Moon - same thing)
Peace
palma de buda :
search the topic about the sow choy’s return from china and you find many things about shek kin . sow choy was talking with him .
fu pow :
i think you sifu don’t have the shek kin side , but he got the bucksam kong side . how much hung ga there is in your school ?
Hello Buddhapalm,
I just was visiting with Grandmaster Shek Kin in Hong Kong. This year, in fact I think this month he turns 90! He spoke of many styles that he had trained in. Eagle Claw, Mantis, Cha Kuen, My Jhong Law Hon, Fan Ji Moon and he spoke of his training in Shut Gow or Shuie Sheau (Chinese Wrestling).
He taught Lee Koon Hung variuos forms and told some very funny stories of teaching Lee Koon Hung Day Tong (falling and Floor work). He said at the time he could not perform those movements and that Lee Koon Hung was very smart and could do it with verbal instructions. But he felt bad for Lee Koon Hung because he kept doing over and over until he got it right.
He showed many pictures from the old days and sopke on various topics, he loves to talk about kung fu. I am very lucky, not sure how long Grandmaster will be with us.
Joe
Yut Yee Sam-
Yes my Sifu teaches the 3 section staff. I’m not sure of the origin of that one though. Apparently, it is different than the one that Lee Koon Hung taught later on.
Rain-
We don’t actually do any Hung Ga in our school. However, as you may know Sifu Mak and Sifu Kong shared a school in Hawaii for a while. I think that Buck Sam Kong’s main influence on Sifu Mak was that Sifu added a lot more power to his CLF. For example, in the Lee Koon Hung lineage Biu Jong is done from a horse stance. Sifu Mak changed this to a Bow Stance for more power. Similarily, he changed Chin Ji Cheui in a lot of the moves to a bow stance instead of horse stance.
Yau Sam
Fu-Pow:
I think the 3-sec staff form that your sifu teaches is the CLF version. I know Bucksam Kong also learned this form from Lee Koon Hung as did many of his early students.
The Shek Kin version came later on and for some reason or another seems to have replaced that one. I would like to see and someday learn the CLF version.
Peace.
Yeah, it’s funny you should mention that because when Sifu Michael came to Seattle he was learning some 3-section staff form from Sifu Mak. That must have been the one.