The link below is the Choy Lay Fut version of the staff form 5th brother 8 triagram staff.
Whether or not this was absorbed into our curriculum from the hung ga version or modified from the the form “yang family spear” which I have seen from other choy lay fut practitioners, i do not know.
I just thought this would be interesting to post here because ng long bat gwa gwun is fairly typical in terms of southern staff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aalkMY0WpS8
comments welcome
Your form looks hella clean brother.
Hey,
first of all indeed nicely played,really like it.
It looks very identical to our 8 diagram set,so its not just the same name..
just the left handed 6.5 points part is missing..it was added by Lam Sai Wing so maybe someone in CLF has learned it before Lam Sai Wings time and just kept it in his curriculum ?
Anyway very nice set
here the hung kuen version,from 1949
Nioce…great snap.
You be a strong boy and it shows.
thanks for the compliments guys
laukarbo- What is the 6.5 section and what is the purpose behind it?
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left handed 6 and a half points..similar to wing chuns only that this section is practiced with the left hand leading the pole…Lam Sai Wing learned this from his uncle who was involved with the red boat opera troups,later he added this to the 8 diagram pole set which he had from Wong Fei Hung…the purpose are principles for each point,those principles actually can be found already throughout the whole set so I think thats why they made it left handed..to train both sides..altogether they should be 14 principles or keywords(in hung kuen)
hyun rool/circle, dim point, cheung thrust, got chop, chau pull, kam , tiu carry, but block, taan spring, jai subdue, biu thrust, ngaat press, haau beat, gik strike
thanks for the info. i have noticed the similarities between the 6.5 pole of ving tsun and ng long bat gwa gwun. interesting to find out hung ga merged them.
this is the “yang family spear” that I mentioned in the initial post for comparison
Man, why is it when I really want to check something out on Youtube my work PC just goes on the blink??!!
Sounds like a very interesting thread, and as I’m a Wing Chun practitioner with a unique pole form from Lee Shing, I will have to check the clips out at home!
I have heard of this set in CLF as staff or spear. My sifu knew ng long baat gwa cheurng. You can see in the spear video that the form is very staff like as are most CLF and/or southern spear sets. If it was a traditional Yang spear it probably would have been done left handed as traditionally spear is played with the left hand leading.
In any case all the sets were nice and you can definately see some of the WC stuff in the first pole set with all the small circle techniques.
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Just see the clip and it was worth the wait. A few things are common to my pole form, but not too much. Definitely lighter with the feet far longer than the Wing Chun pole I know, although we do have some great lil steps! Looks like a ‘tiger’ rattan stick? My favourite!
I especially liked the Kwan Tak Hing clip too! Proper old skool.
It may be of interest to some that whilst I was learning the pole at the Jun Mo Gwoon my Sifu often referred to certain practices as ‘Yum Yeurng Ng Han Baat Gwa Gwun’. We also ‘translated’ the form name differently, 6.5 (6 and a half) to 6 point and half pole as we also have a distinctive half pole (quarter staff) set and 6 distinct ‘points’ of attack.
Thanks for sharing, and I will see if I can do a clip of me in my back yard if anyone is interested? 
I met William Cheung, and I mentioned I played Hung-Ga, and that the techniques of the Hung-Ga Ng Long Bot Gwa Gwun were similar to the Luk Dim Bun Gwun, he completely agreed, saying that they had the same source.
If memory serves, in Wing Chun “lore”, Jee Siem Sum-Si taught the Siu-Lum staff techniques to Leung Yee-Tai on the Red Boats, which brought them into the Wing Chun syllabus.
Knowing the story about the “yang family generals” makes it easy to understand why the staff and spear are interchangeable in this form for most people. There are slight differences in terms of the way certain techniques are executed as to take advantages of the characteristics of each.
Staff and spear are pretty interchangeable in many CLF sets; hence the “cheung/kwun” seen in some of the names. This is why I have always been more of a fan of staff vs. spear sets for southern styles. If one really wants to learn spear northern is more the way to go.
This is Fut San Hung Sing’s 6.5 staff form
Interesting set has some single head and double head mixed in. Some of the sections resemble the hung gar baat gwa kwun as well. You can see how related all the southern long pole forms are when you look at the various versions.
that’s true. i had always wondered how so many different styles could have a set named 6.5 point staff. it was probably a general form then the schools turned it into their own.
I think baat kwa kwun & lok dim boon kwun were more “poling” styles of the time rather than sets and many styles incorporated them into their respective systems as forms and used the names. The names are used a lot like “mui fa” is used.
i got you 
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Is there another link?
I’d be curious to see it…
Chan Family CLF borrowed from and has been influenced by many styles, both northern and southern. Ng Long Baat Gwa Gwun is you have it is a very recent addition and definitely not present for the first 3 to 5 generations Id say. In terms of adoptions from Hung Ga there is Ng Long Baat Gwa Cheung and a highly modified but interesting Gung Ji Fuk Fu Keun, both Ive learned from both CLF and the original Hung Ga versions.
Fut Saan CLF today has followed the same and adopted new items, but none were part of its development. This branch is predominately southern weapons and didnt take on the same northern influences of body structure and way of motion that Chan Family CLF did.
6.5 Staff was originally not a form, but 6.5 movements! Wing Chun may be the simplest and truest expression but other systems like CLF and Bak Mei also have this. There was a magazine in China out a couple years ago with 10 articles from 10 masters, each presenting their take and version of 6.5 staff, and it was very informative. Sure its similar to all other staffs because its foundational movements of the staff.
I liked the posted version of Ng Long Baat Gwa Gwun but regardless of it being in a CLF school I wouldnt say it is CLF version, as the only non-Hung Ga aspects of that presentation would be the practitioners personal skill.
In my CLF we have a form called Jeh Ga Baat Gwa Gwun, which was born generations ago from Ng Long Baat Gwa Gwun. Both belong to the “5 Famous Southern Staffs” of Kung Fu. This Jeh Ga Baat Gwa Gwun (a full system actually) which now is a part of our particular branch of Hung Sing is seldom found outside of Choi Lei Fut, but even so we never considered it a “CLF version”.