Many years ago, 3 guys from a famous speed training CMA style visited a school that was famous in power generation training in CMA. In that visted school, nobody wanted to accept the challenge (I believe they didn’t have confidence that they could win). I try not to mention the name of both CMA styles here so we won’t get into which style is better argument. After that day, I always had a big question mark in my head. If the challenge fight did happen that day then who was going to win? The guy with the maximum speed, or the guy with the maximum power? If you cross train both styles, can you have both abilities at the same time? Or it’s just a trade off that when there is more Yang, there will be less Yin (or the other way around).
i think who ever was the better fighter that day would win. the powerful guy would not be too slow and the fast guy would not be too weak. I believe with being a good fighter you can use your strengths as well as your weaknesses strategically.
but there is a trade off in training depending on how you use your time.
Depends upon the mindset and training of the combatants. Of course, no mention was made of technique or matching physical types but superior speed plus superior mass is hard to defend against.
Still, it’s pretty hard to hurt someone who is prepared and willing to fight. Some styles emphasize flurries of punches to put the opponent on defense. In my experience that’s a weak strategy against someone who can take it. All else being equal, I’ll bet on the aggressive dude with strength training.
To quote the late Brother Abe Kamahoahoa: "It’s not speed that’s important. It’s power and accuracy.
To quote the late great Warren Zevon: “Some have the speed and the right combinations. If you can’t take the punches, it don’t mean a thing.”
[QUOTE=Lucas;1051197]i think who ever was the better fighter that day would win. the powerful guy would not be too slow and the fast guy would not be too weak. I believe with being a good fighter you can use your strengths as well as your weaknesses strategically.
but there is a trade off in training depending on how you use your time.
that is my opinion.[/QUOTE]
If skill is the same, power overwhelms speed in unarmed physical combat. Since power is force/time it is pretty much by definition also fast.
i agree with that. i just go off the assumption neither fighter is ‘weak’ or ‘slow’ but just some variance in degree. since it cma i also assume striking mainly.
by that i mean i assume both fighters are strong and fast and roughly the same weight, the main difference being in the emphasis of conditioning. but if it was a noodle vs a steak…yea noodle goes splat.
in the beginning, posture or stance training are important, and then the accuracy or preciseness in executing the techinques/move are important
speed and power are gained over time.
in styles that striving on speed, such as mantis and tongbei, there are several moves carried out in a hurry or salvos of moves, one after another 2 to 5 movs in a heart beat–
in styles that striving on power, such as shaolin and ba ji, one move or one strike that is powerful enough that ends the fight.
[QUOTE=yutyeesam;1051239]The one with the better timing does. Speed and power can only take you so far if distance and timing aren’t developed.[/QUOTE]
I am firm believer in speed beats anything. If you are quicker to the draw then no power in the world will compare. if you are quick enough to step off the tracks even a train cant hurt you.
not if hes slower, timming takes a 2nd place to speed becuse your timing would have to be so acurate every time to land a punch or a kick, its nearly impossible to time all your reactions
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1051322]not if hes slower, timming takes a 2nd place to speed becuse your timing would have to be so acurate every time to land a punch or a kick, its nearly impossible to time all your reactions[/QUOTE]
Yeah, if you time a guy right even if he has all the speed in the world it won’t matter.
If fast guys are king then fastest fighters would always win.
Look at Leonard vs. Hearns I
Or Pacquiao vs. Marquez
Hearns is super fast, super powerful with a bullet jab and a sledgehammer right hand.
He also has WAYYYY more reach than Leonard.
But Leonard manages to win with superior defense, technique and TIMING.
The problem we run into with these kinds of debates is that style is not always the key factor in a victory. Since training methods are what makes up a style, yes it is a key component but other variables must be taken into account. Mostly size, strength, endurance, and experience. You cannot attribue style to these variables in a fight.
If you have a 150lb guy fighting a 200lb guy and both have farily equal skill, I will bet on the 200lb guy 8 out of 10 times. There is a reason in combat sports that weight classes are required. Speed is a good thing to have, but when the 200lb guy closes the gap, clinches, than takes the 150lber down, guess what, speed means nothing anymore. Unless the smaller guy is well versed on the ground but again we are using hypothetically that both of are equal skill.
I have sparred and rolled with guys 50lbs over my weight and it makes a huge difference. Anyone who says otherwise doesn’t know what they are talking about.
