It really isn’t an either/or thing, you you have power you have speed, but speed doesn’t equate power as all those “slappy-flippy” demos of guys throwing 10 punches in one second, punches that wouldn’t hurt a 12 year old kid, show.
The highest output of force is from the faster strike WITH the most weight behind it.
THAT is power.
Sometimes people confuse quick reaction or just natural quickness with speed.
No weight lifter lifts a heavy weight slowly, they do it with speed ( explosivness).
That is what we are truly talking about, taking you body from zero to 100 in as quick a time possible, that is POWER.
As a great master once said, “all the speed in the world won’t matter if you can’t hurt the other guy”.
All the power in the world won’t matter if you can’t hit him either.
people can say what they want about speed will beat power or what ever but,
I’ve seen some big guys that were pretty dam fast. I’m a big guy and i’ve never been called slow. I walk around about 220, and it’s not fat.
This debate is not realistic in the fact that there are a lot of different veriables to take into consideration.
my thoughts are, have both. build speed and power together.
I find that the speed element is important. I have noticed that those who are speed oriented can dramatically increase their impact power with what would appear to be slight increases in strength.
For those who are power oriented, timing becomes their equalizer. It does not meant that they should not train speed.
Balance is necessary for both types of fighters when preparing for life and death situations.
This debate is not realistic in the fact that there are a lot of different veriables to take into consideration
good point I think we are being general but your corrct lots of factors to count.
violent,
if we are talkig about boxing or sport as you stated then OK, i will agree but on the street if i can hit a guy in the trechea or corrodid artery before he can move cuz im quicker they strength would have no berrier.
also please remember that E=mc so speed increses power… a little tiny lead bullet can do lots of damger because its moving quicker than a slow slege hammer.
mantis depends on quickness and speed and nothing can match it
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also please remember that E=mc so speed increses power… a little tiny lead bullet can do lots of damger because its moving quicker than a slow slege hammer.
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First, it’s “E=MC^2” Energy = mass times the speed of light squared; and the observable increase in mass at sub-lightspeed velocities is negligible.
Second, the equation you mentioned has little to do with Newtonian physics (the type of physics we deal with in the macro, regular world.) A better equation is Force (measured in Newtons or PSI) divided by Time (measured in terms of How long it takes a Force to reach its maximum) equals power.
Example: 33PSI / 3 seconds = an increase of 11PSI per second. There’s your power.
Third, the tiny lead bullet has a much smaller weight, but also a much higher force and a much smaller focal point than the sledgehammer. Look at a different example for a minute:
when comparing a strike against concrete between pickax a sledgehammer… if they’re of equal size and weight and you apply the same amount of power to them, the pickax will penetrate more than the sledgehammer will because of the way in which power is being transferred from the tool to the concrete - either through a large, flat, dissipating surface or through a focused point. It’s kind of like the difference between a Palm Strike and a phoenix eye punch.
Xiao,
I didint even know I had all thos keys on my board to do that. LOL
Im old and not very computer saaavy. however your saying that sir issac newton theoires match the speed vs power thing more than alberts? I am not much of a physicist so thank you for the expliantion.
So I realize the smaller the focal point the more damge, but doesnt speed factor differentiate the equation?
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if we are talkig about boxing or sport as you stated then OK, i will agree but on the street if i can hit a guy in the trechea or corrodid artery before he can move cuz im quicker they strength would have no berrier.
also please remember that E=mc so speed increses power… a little tiny lead bullet can do lots of damger because its moving quicker than a slow slege hammer.
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A bullet CAN cause lots of damage, no doubt but since we are talking people and NOT ballistic, that is a tad irrelevant.
Taking you sledge hammer example though, if I were wearing a bullet proof vest I would rather get shot with a 38 ( in the vest of course, LOL) then get hit in the chest with a 10 lbs sledge hammer going at 30 mph !!
a little tiny lead bullet can do lots of damger because its moving quicker than a slow slege hammer.
not a very realistic comparison…
compare a 223 round to a 12 gauge slug. Look at the exit holes… and then come back and tell me which does more damage. the larger the object the wider the mass is distributed throughout. The more wide spread the damage associated with such.
Sorry to say, ballistics and people do not make for a good analogy. I know like four other people have said this, but I thought I would throw my 4 cents in.
why are you hung up on speed factor… Can’t a person work toward both and wouldn’t that make them better?
umm becuse the question form the thread srater asked…
If the challenge fight did happen that day then who was going to win? The guy with the maximum speed, or the guy with the maximum power?
therefore I will always choose speed over power as getting in quicker and striking sooner is always better than having power.
If you can poke someone in the eyes quicker than your opponent then what matters if your opponent is more powerful?
sanjuro, my thoughts are the faster something is moving the more impact it will have. obviously power with speed combine is better but you knwo who asked which of these two will be victorious
I think John probably meant speed or strength, not speed or power because power is directly proportional to speed ( typically and all else being equal)
sanjuro, my thoughts are the faster something is moving the more impact it will have. obviously power with speed combine is better but you knwo who asked which of these two will be victorious
