I wonder if it would be possible to put together a fight clip that would satisfy the whole group.. :eek: LOL
Youâd have to have long range highly mobile footwork with bouncy bounce..
Youâd have to have traditional grounded WCK footworkâŚ
Youâd have to be locked in one position like a statue..
Youâd have to use non âModified Wing Chunâ kicks..
Youâd have to use âModified Wing Chunâ kicks..
Youâd have to use Western Boxing strikesâŚ
Youâd have to use WCK strikesâŚ
Youâd have to stickâŚ
Youâd have to bob and weaveâŚ
Youâd have to make hard contactâŚ
Youâd have to make no contactâŚ
Youâd have to eventually take it to the groundâŚ
Youâd have to rollâŚ
Youâd have to win both standing and on the ground, from guard and from the mountâŚWith a tap and also with a chokeâa KO from close range and from long rangeâŚand lastly by polite agreement, for the no contact folksâŚ
Man that would be a lot of takes⌠:eek:[/QUOTE]
Donât forget, you would have to do all of that against cro cop or someone else whoâs at that level for any of it to count
harder doesnât mean you fix technical problems, or that you are able to defend yourself.
In my opinion (not that I am a expert), throwing on some boxing gloves (not MMA) should be a normal thing. hitting with intent, and braking the guys nose donât need to the same thing. That is if you are training to protect your faceâŚ
thats the real problem in my opinion, its not how hard you go.. its the techniques, and a realistic method of training. You can train to fight with âlight contactâ its not impossible, it just takes more planning. Thats why you can shadow box, and gain allot of benefit.
A lot of the progressive folks like using the MMA gloves or similar in combination with good headgear and whatever other gear. For regular sparring I think just the MMA gloves and âhigh qualityâ headgear is good enough for 80% of the work when you use common sense in how you spar.
MMA gloves take up much less space and allow for greater use of the hands.. This is important in order to make use of the small spaces that Wing Chun tries to take advantage of.
If you use boxing gloves the ability to use your hands is highly diminished, as is the ability to attack through small openings, and the need to protect those openings.
For realistic training of WCK kicks and leg work we used to use the hard plastic leg/shin/knee guards used in other sports.
This kind of equipment is great because it lets you actually apply the moves found in the system as intended without any real risk of serious injury, and still applying enough power to make the training fairly realistic..
This kind of equipment is great because it lets you actually apply the moves found in the system as intended without any real risk of serious injury, and still applying enough power to make the training fairly realistic..[/QUOTE]
"One can argue that, systems such as boxing and MT that stress minimal combinations - jab/cross, jab/cross/hook/low round kick etc.
That stress combinations that arenât TYPICALLY based on opponent reaction but opponent position, can âget awayâ with lighter sparring.
Systems that tend to base their training on âexcessiveâ combinations and âsensitivity, like WC or Kenpo for example, for them it is even MORE CRUCIAL to go hard enough to get a reaction from the partner so that TRUE sequences and foot work are engrained in training.â (sanjuro ronin)
***THATâS RIGHT. Itâs very crucial to go hard with wing chun in order to develop the various aspects of the wing chun game in a live situation. Itâs not just jab/cross, etc.
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"A lot of the progressive folks like using the MMA gloves or similar in combination with good headgear and whatever other gear. For regular sparring I think just the MMA gloves and âhigh qualityâ headgear is good enough for 80 of the work when you use common sense in how you spar.
MMA gloves take up much less space and allow for greater use of the hands.. This is important in order to make use of the small spaces that Wing Chun tries to take advantage of.
If you use boxing gloves the ability to use your hands is highly diminished, as is the ability to attack through small openings, and the need to protect those openings.
For realistic training of WCK kicks and leg work we used to use the hard plastic leg/shin/knee guards used in other sports.
This kind of equipment is great because it lets you actually apply the moves found in the system as intended without any real risk of serious injury, and still applying enough power to make the training fairly realistic.." (Yung Chun)
***RIGHT AGAIN. (Although I personally donât like the hard plastic. I prefer the softer spongey type shin and knee pads - and the TKD type chest protectors).
Not shin pads.. Shin guards that are a component part of the leg gear.. They are made of hard plastic and indended to take power âdeem gerkâ type kicks from folks wearing shoes to the shins, knees, etc⌠When they take a hard shot you hear a loud CRACK! soundâŚ
For conventional leg banging I never used pads either but this kind of contact is a little different.
[QUOTE=YungChun;770528]Not shin pads.. Shin guards that are a component part of the leg gear.. They are made of hard plastic and indended to take power âdeem gerkâ type kicks from folks wearing shoes to the shins, knees, etc⌠When they take a hard shot you hear a loud CRACK! soundâŚ
For conventional leg banging I never used pads either but this kind of contact is a little different.[/QUOTE]
Whatâs wrong with getting your shins covered in adamantium ?
I got half way down page three and IMO there are too many wanna be proffesionals here. Not to mention - alot of assumptions about the context of the videos content.
Its ok to spar softer than full force if your between fights !
How do we know those in the vid are not between fights, for that matter how do we know the guys we see are not beginners on day two of training :rolleyes:
Would that change your opinion ? Why, Why not ?
Now because UFC for the most part seems to be the measuring stick these days ill use it as an example.
In my country we are only just broadcasting the third season of TUF.
In every episode i see almost all of whats been mentioned.
Soft sparring.
Full contact sparring.
Isolated/ dead training.
Fully alive and realistic training.
The list goes on.
Most peoples opinions here are right, in the sence that it would be great to have these missing points present in everyoneâs training.
But this is a snap shot of ONE TYPE of training.
NOW HERES THE DECIDING FACTOR
If i showed you one segment of a TUF episode just showing the Soft Sparring or pad work, some probably wouldnt comment as they have for this vid. Realising those in the show complement it with many other types of training.
But why are the opinions different ?
Because everyone on average, knows the training habbits of people that do MMA/ UFC (even though they vary alot) and everyone assumes many negitive things about Ving Tsun. Which i cant say isnt warrented, but that doesnt mean its right all the time.
Weâve all heard - âAssumptions are the mother of all âŚâ
:eek: LOL