[QUOTE=TenTigers;1023478]Alot of CLF crept into kenpo from Lau Bun’s influence, as well as others.[/QUOTE]
kenpo in general or is it only seen in certain schools?
kenpo in general or is it only seen in certain schools?
DIRECTLY with Ed Parker himself. He used to film the Lau Bun lineage performances in L.A. and he also used to come to us to get our Dit Da Jow.
From what i hear, their forms…number four or something of that nature is directly based off of Lau Bun’s material.
[QUOTE=esox;1023467]yeah good explanation I’ll try my ****dest to keep an open mind, I think much comes down to body shape and mind set I come from a background of western boxing prior to kung fu and I prefer tight, short aggressive forward moving techniques[/QUOTE]
You can’t just look at a technique and say “that’s dumb” without knowing anything about how it’s applied.
Well…you can… wouldn’t suggest it or anything, but you can…
Overhand Right
Ask Donovan “Razor” Ruddock & Andrew Golota if Mike Tyson doesn’t throw an overhand right punch.
Ask Mike Tyson if Evander Holyfield & Lennox Lewis don’t throw overhand right punches.
They were all (real) Boxers. They were all great fighters in their prime. Saying overhand right punches aren’t in “Western Boxing,” or are not able to be pulled off by a high-level competitor against another high-level competitor is a straw-man argument; as well as factually incorrect.
[QUOTE=San Soo Sifu;1023529]Ask Donovan “Razor” Ruddock & Andrew Golota if Mike Tyson doesn’t throw an overhand right punch.
Ask Mike Tyson if Evander Holyfield & Lennox Lewis don’t throw overhand right punches.
They were all (real) Boxers. They were all great fighters in their prime. Saying overhand right punches aren’t in “Western Boxing,” or are not able to be pulled off by a high-level competitor against another high-level competitor is a straw-man argument; as well as factually incorrect.[/QUOTE]
Ok, you definitely said that better than me…
[QUOTE=Drake;1023445]If you know the purpose of the technique, then it makes sense. If you don’t, then it looks like a wide, predictable swing…[/QUOTE]
Some years ago I was shown a version of that punch where it is preceded by a swinging uppercut style kung fu punch and another which I cannot recall. I know that it was within the context of a very fast three punch, forward moving, continuous combination. This was just a quick demonstration of a hybrid, yet genuine, kung fu style.
I remember that it was kind of overwhelming as the perceived opening one would expect from such a wide punch were not there, as the previous two punches had closed the “opportunities”, as if setting up the opponent for a haymaker.
Is this the purpose of the technique as studied by you?
Anyway, as I saw it, it functioned in a very effective manner. I am relatively new at the current style that I practice but I suspect that I will be introduced to similar techniques as the system has a long range feel to it as compared to the Chow Gar and Wing Chun, in which I have more experience.
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1023449]Sow Choy’s if done right can leave you in a world of trouble. don’t EVER underestimate it.[/QUOTE]
I agree. It is a difficult one to block if you are caught in range and the punch is in full swing, as it can easily collapse one’s structure and/or break a blocking limb, on contact.
HW108
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1023532]Some years ago I was shown a version of that punch where it is preceded by a swinging uppercut style kung fu punch and another which I cannot recall. I know that it was within the context of a very fast three punch, forward moving, continuous combination. This was just a quick demonstration of a hybrid, yet genuine, kung fu style.
I remember that it was kind of overwhelming as the perceived opening one would expect from such a wide punch were not there, as the previous two punches had closed the “opportunities”, as if setting up the opponent for a haymaker.
Is this the purpose of the technique as studied by you?
Anyway, as I saw it, it functioned in a very effective manner. I am relatively new at the current style that I practice but I suspect that I will be introduced to similar techniques as the system has a long range feel to it as compared to the Chow Gar and Wing Chun, in which I have more experience.[/QUOTE]
Wow, HW, sounds like you were shown some Lama (Kahp Pow Chyunn, or a variation of such), not a ‘hybrid’. Something your friend David Ross knows a little about… But wait - he’s a glorified kickboxer! You learned Glorified Kickboxing!
Haha you’re a glorified kickboxer HW!
-David
[QUOTE=CLFLPstudent;1023536]Wow, HW, sounds like you were shown some Lama (Kahp Pow Chyunn, or a variation of such), not a ‘hybrid’.[/quote]
The sifu who showed (not taught) it did not describe it as Lama Pai, where similar techniques exist. He mentioned a hybrid style and even named it, however I don’t remember the actual name.
HIs “little” knowledge can be seen in his one and only post in this thread, meaning that knowing a “little” doesn’t count!
However, I know for sure that Grand Master Chan Tai San knew a lot about such techniques, but then he was an authentic kung fu master.
Yes he is a glorified Kickboxer, and one can see that from his chosen profession and again, from his own shallow, pompous, not to mention, mediocre, “contribution” to the subject matter of this very thread!
:rolleyes:
DIRECTLY with Ed Parker himself. He used to film the Lau Bun lineage performances in L.A. and he also used to come to us to get our Dit Da Jow.
From what i hear, their forms…number four or something of that nature is directly based off of Lau Bun’s material.
kenpo in general or is it only seen in certain schools?
I wouldn’t say its a general technique in kenpo, I would say it might be specialized more in a certain branch or something. Not to say that it isn’t seen throughout. In Kajukenbo/pai lum (off branches) etc. not as pronounced.
Overhand rights ( or lefts) or “looping” punches have their place, as do uppercuts and shovel hooks and whatnot.
Any technqiue that can take out world champions in VARIOUS different fighting sports, seems like a good one to have in our arsenal.
[QUOTE=Drake;1023523]You can’t just look at a technique and say “that’s dumb” without knowing anything about how it’s applied.
Well…you can… wouldn’t suggest it or anything, but you can…[/QUOTE]
I think I have enough experience of combat to have formed my own opinion on these matters, I was, however attempting to show an air of politeness oft vacant on this forum
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1023562]I wouldn’t say its a general technique in kenpo, I would say it might be specialized more in a certain branch or something. Not to say that it isn’t seen throughout. In Kajukenbo/pai lum (off branches) etc. not as pronounced.[/QUOTE]
also seen quite often in Tracy’s/Parker’s Kenpo, which were closer to the source.
It’s an overhand in boxing, sometimes called a windmill (especially when there is teh crazy windup lol) but in chinese it’s a sow choy. 
categories mess things up, language creates barriers, but an overhand is a good punch for getting around someone else limbs.
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1023617]It’s an overhand in boxing, sometimes called a windmill (especially when there is teh crazy windup lol) but in chinese it’s a sow choy.
categories mess things up, language creates barriers, but an overhand is a good punch for getting around someone else limbs.[/QUOTE]
Uh, no.
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[QUOTE=esox;1023575]I think I have enough experience of combat to have formed my own opinion on these matters, I was, however attempting to show an air of politeness oft vacant on this forum[/QUOTE]
Not really. You could be a master of whatever, but looking at something out of your field, you’d still be lost. I make no assertions about, say, kendo, or TKD, because it isn’t my field, and I don’t understand the deeper reasoning behind the techniques.
Sow choi is combat proven. CLF would have gotten rid of it over a hundred years ago if it wasn’t.
nothing is ineffective if used in the right circumstance.
Don’t confuse the kup choi with the sow choi…
[QUOTE=Drake;1023629]Not really. You could be a master of whatever, but looking at something out of your field, you’d still be lost. I make no assertions about, say, kendo, or TKD, because it isn’t my field, and I don’t understand the deeper reasoning behind the techniques.
Sow choi is combat proven. CLF would have gotten rid of it over a hundred years ago if it wasn’t.[/QUOTE]
right ok so we can’t discuss that which we haven’t fullfiled your idea of proficiancy in. end of forum.
[QUOTE=esox;1023700]right ok so we can’t discuss that which we haven’t fullfiled your idea of proficiancy in. end of forum.[/QUOTE]
Discuss, yes. Make solid assertions based on limited knowledge of said technique? Not so much.
ie. “That sword technique doesn’t seem effective to me. Does anyone here know how it is supposed to be properly applied?” -Correct
“That sword technique is completely ineffective. If this was MMA he’d be RNC’d instantly!” -Incorrect
But it’s a free country. Say what you want. Just don’t get butt-hurt when someone corrects you.