yip man,
ok i’ll let the article go then cool..
you must site on this damn thing all night, its like a drug this computer. train hard dude!
man i’m only new at this compter & intenet thingy, so when ever i have a spare moment i try & play around with it.
besides that i don’t work at the moment so i can just train, hang out with my family & sit on the computer.(tv here is pretty lame & so is pay tv)
vts
ps you are right this is a bad drug & i think i’m hooked.
what you need to do is have a iron palm bench, some dit dar beside you, a mook jong on the otherside of the computer. hehe
its got me hooked, even though i get the shits reading/ half are the wons coming back. i sit here and laugh my head of at everyone. isnt it great tat ever person here is defensive on there own style- thats respect for ya…
later
Everyone is defensive, but I win the award for being most defensive…and if anyone disagrees, then just step up to the plate…
i hold the tittle for that billy!
a cant find the steps..where are they.
peace 
There’s a thread on this at http://www.mantis.org.uk
As an aside, Chow Gar southern mantis GM Ip Shui fought a challenge with a wing chun master and called it a draw after an HOUR of fighting
The powers of Kung Fu never fail!
– Hong Kong Phooey
Thanks for the levity!
Just remember, it’s the artist, not the art. While we all stand up for what we practice (hell, many of us are part of a family or lineage so of COURSE we stick up for it) not all of us have had the opportunity to be exposed to GOOD practitioners of other styles.
Fierce, while you sound very convincing about crossing hands with styles other than your own, and also studying many, you still rarely divulge indepth comparisons. The only thing you’ve mentioned in this thread indicating experience is that your wing chun straight punch got wrapped up, so now you think it’s less superior. I’m not attempting to incite your anger. I just want you to share some of this knowledge that you proclaim to have. It’s been MY experience that true masters like to teach. Your posts are like an itch I can’t scratch. No wait, like watching wushu - it’s pretty and fascinating, but does it work?
I have limited exposure to either art. I really WANT to know how people compare them.
“Your kung fu is no good!” 
Meltdawn
melt dawn dont fly off the handle dude
look all i talk about is what i have practised, do you see me in jkd or bbj SH!T. no you dont so back up a step.
i have been around and have crossed hand, not just with kung fu guys, karate, jujitsu, aikido,thai boxing to test myself, plus as mention i have been fighting in tourneys full contact. my view on wing chun was just that! i dont think wing chun is less superior as in fighting but as a system to learn. it is not as complete for MY LIKEINGS. I HAVE HAD 4 SOUTHERN MANIS STUDENTS COME TO ME TO LEARN DOES THAT MAKE SM INSUPERIOR AS WELL.
wushu does work by the way.
THAT SCRATCH IS PROBABLY CRABS- GO GET IT LOOKED AT.
peace
Teach, dude, teach!!!
“no you dont so back up a step.”
I guess you missed my sentence “I don’t wish to incite your anger”. I meant it.
“look all i talk about is what i have practised”
Yes, that’s right! But you don’t convey any of the vast knowledge you assert you have accumulated. I still don’t know much about your bak mei. The last thing you said was that it was heavily influenced by dragon. No revelation there. I know you’re new here, but some of us do want to learn from each other, which is hard to do when all anyone says is “I beat a such and such guy” or “my style kicked his style’s ass”
I want to know WHY you think wing chun is less effective for you, a practitioner of bak mei, another style based in simple principles. I want to know WHY and HOW your wing chun got scrabled when sparring southern mantis. I want to know WHY you think these SM guys came to you, thinking your style superior to theirs. Rock/scissors/paper = bak mei/southern mantis/wing chun?
What I’m trying to say is that I don’t care if your opinion is for this or against that, but I would benefit from knowing your experiences from which you have deriven your conclusions. Lay it on the line, DUDE.
Meltdawn
meltdawn,
i only studied wc for 3 years. i met a few people of southern mantis. after some time we were friends, so i politely asked to play cross hands, i tried many wing chun techniques that i favoured and they simple used heavy elbow skills and wrapping hands, they had really good sticking skill. i tried lop sau,bong sau many things anyway i learn alot from these guys.
so i travelled to southern china and leant bak mei. this bak mei is similar to the jook lum mantis. similar san sau drills, conditioning.etc
maybe my wing chun was not at a standard yet. though i do like there chi sau, and leg drills.
peace
I’ve practiced PM and have sparred/chi sao with WC guys and even though it was pretty even, for every hit I got, they got 2. I found that PM was more natural and flexible while WC was a bit too stiff and they tired.
melt dawn
my pak mei has no relations with dragon, you must be thinking clc pak mei.
peace
SIGH There is no superior style! If it works for you, it works for you, if not, oh well.
Bruce said there is no chinese way of fighting, no japanese way of fighting, it is all the same. Not until we have 3 arms and 4 legs will it be “different”. Sheesh, people forget that ALL styles claim the best. Karate has Mas Oyamas many think he was he best, Aikido has Morihei U., W/C had Wong S.L. the same is thought of him, JKD has Bruce Lee, etc etc etc. And each style thinks thier guy is the baddest of the bad. List goes on and on and on. No style is better then any! Bottom line. Its like saying a blue car is faster then a red car simply because it is blue.
You must understand and belive in what your doing. If the art and you dont merge into one, you will be defeated. And you should find something that suits you better.
Some arts are better for other people and individualism is what its about.
Fierce Tiger, if you have studied so many martial arts and know so much, act like it! If you are going to make comments back them up with facts and not “well they wrapped me and uh I dont know why but it didnt work, therefore W/C sucks” Come on, we are all adults here right? meltdawn had some EXCELLENT points. The rock paper scissor thing is a great example!
Thats it for me.
Always seeking to learn,
Kong Jianshen
Humble disciple of the ancient Boxing Arts
king kong why ya trippin
i never said once that i have done plenty of styles, but what i have studied i know mostly about. vingstunstudent and i are just having a inside joke about wc and having ago at each other all fun to me, so take your sh!t elsewhere. wc didnt suit me and i feel better doing pak mei for the last 15 years.i havent studied any other style for that amount of time, i ask alot of questions on all different styles to understand there style. i never once said i know so much. anyway DILL practise what you preach,WHAT ARE YOU DOING RIGHT KNOW TALKING SH!T. are you up set that i said this about wc? IF I UPSET YOU GOOD WHO GIVES A F# WHAT YOU THINK. AND THATS ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
(sigh) okay, here goes:
I studied both systems-as well as bak mei-ya’know what I discovered? Both systems are great infighting systems,both cover centerline, both have trapping, destructions,multiple inch-power strikes,chi-sao,etc. WC likes to be on top of the bridge, and on the blind sides, SM is very comfortable on the inside gate (what wc people sometimes refer to as the inferior position)SM’s jow sau is really good. It seems that one complements the other in terms of developing attributes. As far as outward appearance, it really depends on how the system is taught. I see alot of WC guys who are rigid, stiff,insistant that wc utilses straight lines rather than circles, etc. Frankly, my sifus taught elipses rather than lines. potato-po-tahto