Which style if mastered yeilds the most effective self-defense system?
may the force be with you
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“What you wan’ cry fo? You know that my hammer is heavy and it got kick like tae kwon do, now you gwarn die slow… I’ma show you how to stretch a m0ther***** if you wanna watch tae bo”
[This message was edited by Sihing73 on 09-01-01 at 07:17 AM.]
Person not style
Hello,
This is a question with no definitive answer. Both styles have produced capable practicianers. It would all depend on the person taking the system and their understanding of what each had to offer as well as the quality of instruction available to the person.
Of course, I am prejudiced towards Wing Chun as that is my system of choice 
Peace,
Dave
Well,
Wing Chun, because Wing Chun was developed by a girl, and girls have boobies, and boobies smash mantis.
-Scott
“Life is hard, but so am I.” – The Eels.
exactly
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“What you wan’ cry fo? You know that my hammer is heavy and it got kick like tae kwon do, now you gwarn die slow… I’ma show you how to stretch a m0therfucker if you wanna watch tae bo”
Wing Chun VS. The Bug People
Our sifu teaches both Wing Chun and Seven Star Praying Mantis. In my experience with the mantii, WC has a strong advantage over mantis at close range, especially when moving to their outside, but mantis is stronger at long range attacks.
They have a very “sticky” way about them, their arms will roll around yours and it is difficult to get through at times, but our trapping hands can allow one to get through this. Double punches (sieung kuen) also provide a bit of frustration to the Bugs.
Mantis on the other hand, has great legs. If you don’t get inside quickly, you will get hit hard by kicks. Their arms are quick and don’t react the way you are used to when working out with WC people.
In my humble opinion, the two styles compliment and cancel each other out very well. As far as one being more suited for “self-defense,” I would not care to answer that. Frankly, I believe that both are equally effective in different manners.
Perhaps some of my classmates would care to pipe in and give their own observations.
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chi kwai
Well chi kwai is both
right and wrong
The 7* Mantis that Sifu teaches is a whole differnt animal than SPM (Southern Praying Mantis)
The SPM people seem to use “jut” motions for everything, the people that went to the last CA tourny got to see a SPM guy whip ass on a WC guy (the SPM guy was solid, no info on the WC guy just he got creamed)
I also saw at the last Taiji Legeacy a WC Sifu judge a Southern Forms Comp that included a SPM form, he looked rather perplexed, the guys look like they are just twiching or something.
But as has been said before “its not the style its the person” Both the Siu and the Student. If you think WC wont work then the best WC sifu in the world cant help you, if you are in love with WC then dont waste a SPM classes time. The best art is the one you will train, master and pass on.
PS Sharky and Scott
How dare you let people in on our secrect “(.)(.) crushs mantis!” aren’t you on the Secret WC mailing list(SWCML)? jeez man giving away all our secret techs
SPM isn’t really Mantis per se.
Southern Praying Mantis is actually a style called Hakka. The Hakka system came from the north. Here is a quote from a description of the style:
“Chu Fook To, of the Ming imperial court retreated to the sanctuary of the Northern Shaolin monastery and in pursuit the Ching court burned Songshan
Shaolin forcing Chu and the Ming loyalists to flee southward where they settled at Fukien Shaolin with Chu Fook To becoming abbot and changing his
name to “Tung Sim” (anguish) due to his deep anguish and hatred for the Ching’s reign of terror and suffering. It was during this time that the Chu family boxing style was nicknamed “Southern Praying Mantis” in order to confuse the style with the Northern Shandong Mantis styles and avoid the persecution of the Ching soldiers.”
This style is also known as Chu gar and Chow gar, but there is contention in this, much in the same way that there is contention between lineages of Wing Chun. The SPM style utilizes the Phoenix Eye punch most extensively.
This system, in my humble opinion, is amazing. The style is very dynamic. Short distance attacks are abundant, but it utilizes many long fists typical of Northern styles. In any case, either of these schools, Wing Chun or Southern Praying Mantis(Hakka, Chukka, Chu gar, Chow gar) would be a fine choice, so long as the teacher is skilled.
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chi kwai
This=funny
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR> Wing Chun, because Wing Chun was developed by a girl, and girls have boobies, and boobies smash mantis. [/quote]
That was THE funniest thing i have read in a long time.
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“What you wan’ cry fo? You know that my hammer is heavy and it got kick like tae kwon do, now you gwarn die slow… I’ma show you how to stretch a m0therfucker if you wanna watch tae bo”
Neither.
Sharky and Scott are correct.
CanadianBadAss is definitely incorrect, and I’ve seen the pictures to prove it.
excellent replys so far…
may the force be with you
where’d his post go?
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“What you wan’ cry fo? You know that my hammer is heavy and it got kick like tae kwon do, now you gwarn die slow… I’ma show you how to stretch a m0therfucker if you wanna watch tae bo”
he who is ready to die, will return home alive. Everything else is just BS
To WC Brothers from SPM
The guy who goes by the name “toddbringewatt” is a total waste product loser. He tried the same inflammatory bullshit on the SPM page and got shut down.
This clown is part of a group of ‘Trekkie Trolls’ who never make a post that contributes anything other than discord.
Fukien, and his electronically created alter ego ‘Uncle’ ‘Still Thinking Follower’ are two other kiddies playing at pulling strings.
‘Totalbraindeadboy’s’ question about what system is superior should read you guys onto the fact that he’s an absolute idiot who squats to pee and is looking to provoke a dispute.
As for Fukien and his ‘Uncle’ they can’t even cite to their Sifu or lineage since it seems that ‘video tape correspondence students’ have a hard time getting answers from their television screens :). John
Thanks but no thanks
Hello Hungmei,
It is quite possible that your post was meant with the best of intentions. If so i thank you for your “warning”. However, it is really not necessary. On this board all are welcome to discuss the art of Wing Chun and other arts as they correspond to our art. It is not the place to bandy politics nor promote anyones agenda, including my own. I can assure you that the people on this board are capable of dealing with any “trolls”.
On a personal note I would appreciate keeping the politics out of this board especially if they don’t involve Wing Chun anyhow.
Peace,
Dave
Hungmei
Hi. My name is Todd Bringewatt. I posted the starter to this topic out of a desire to learn more about SPM and WC and decide which is best for me.
So far I have received nothing but kindness and helpful information from the WC folks here. Thank you.
However, the identical topic starter I placed on the Southern Kung Fu area has created a far different and entirely unintended effect.
Namely, personal character attacks (on me) and insults regarding the integrity of my intentions.
This has come exclusively from two individuals, Bruce Campbell and now quite viciously (as you can see in the above post – 2 up) from someone using the name Hungmei – who seems to feel the need to resort to name calling.
You can read these reactionary responses for yourself in the Southern KF area under the topic “Southern Praying Mantis vs. Wing Chun.”
Conversely, Steve Richards (SPM teacher) has been more than helpful, providing insightful academic responses which I have appreciated greatly. He is also a Wing Chun practioner in addition to SPM and so, by his example, brings great dignity to your art (WC).
It saddens me to find such knee-jerk reactions and intolerance where I hoped to find elightenment and class.
Thanks Wing Chun people for not letting me down! And thank you to Dave, who wrote the above post asking Hungmei to keep his politics out of this area and defending the principle of open discussion. Well said!
may the force be with you
Dave
>It is quite possible that your post was meant with the best of intentions. If so i thank you for your “warning”.
Not a warning so much as a simple example of what this guy is up to.
>However, it is really not necessary. On this board all are welcome to discuss the art of Wing Chun and other arts as they correspond to our art.
Your board, your choice.
>It is not the place to bandy politics nor promote anyones agenda, including my own. I can assure you that the people on this board are capable of dealing with any “trolls”.
Good stuff.
>On a personal note I would appreciate keeping the politics out of this board especially if they don’t involve Wing Chun anyhow.
That was my whole point, nothing the people I identified post anything substantive in regard to any MA, WC or otherwise.
>Peace
Peace to you as well Dave. John