So I got to make dit da jow the other day

Nei Jia: the Qigong and Taijiquan Forum Traditional Chinese Medicine
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Working in the TCM shop on weekends noone had ever requested dit da jow before yesterday, but a martial artist came in and requested some.

I don’t remember everything in the formula but this is what I remember

Xue Jie (red crystal substance, crushed into a powder)
Hong Hua
Notoginseng (root crushed into smaller pieces)
Da Huang
Chi Shao (Red Peony Root)
Mo Yao (crushed)

There were maybe 2 or 3 herbs I can’t remember, and this was to be soaked in Vodka.

I actually know the guys martial arts teacher, was pretty cool!

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Dit Da Jow is great for both martial artists (essential for certain things) and non-martial artists. Does your shop advertise its uses?

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[QUOTE=The Xia;832526]Dit Da Jow is great for both martial artists (essential for certain things) and non-martial artists. Does your shop advertise its uses?[/QUOTE]

No, the shop does not. The CMA community in Pittsburgh is small, and most of them know the doctor. Most of her patients are Chinese or new ageish Americans.

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Dit Da Jow

Following is a representative formula for a Dit Da Jow for acute injuries that uses some of the herbs that you reference above. The other herbs work together as well to create a blood-moving, Qi-coursing, pain-killing forumla. Using the tail of Dang Gui and preparing it by frying it in vinegar accentuates its blood-moving qualities. You could also add a cup of vinegar per gallon of vodka to help the formula penetrate into the tendons. This would be helpful in the case of sprains, etc.

Da Huang
4 Qian

Zhi Zi
4 Qian

Hong Hua
4 Qian

Huang Bai
4 Qian

Ru Xiang
4 Qian

Mo Yao
4 Qian

Zhang Nao
4 Qian

Xue Jie
4 Qian

Lu Lu Tong
4 Qian

Dang Gui Wei (tail)
Vinegar fry
4 Qian

Best,

Steve

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Another Jow

• 1 liter bottle of strong vodka, gin or Chinese rice wine
• Artemesia (Liu ji nu) - 5g
• Borneol (Bingpian) - 1g
• Carthamus (Honghua) - 5g
• Catechu (Ercha) - 8g
• Cinnabar (Zhusha) - 5g
• Cirsium (DaJi) - 1g
• Dragon’s Blood (Xuejie) - 30g
• Mastic (Ruxiang) - 5g
• Musk (Shexiang) - 1g
• Myrrh (Moyao) - 5g
• Pinellia (ShengBanXia) - 5g

Grind up place in alcohol stir weekly ready on 60 days
really strong after 6 months. Keep out of open wounds
OTD

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This is turning out to be a good thread!

TTT

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[QUOTE=OTD;833731] 1 liter bottle of strong vodka, gin or Chinese rice wine
Artemesia (Liu ji nu) - 5g
Borneol (Bingpian) - 1g
Carthamus (Honghua) - 5g
Catechu (Ercha) - 8g
Cinnabar (Zhusha) - 5g
Cirsium (DaJi) - 1g
Dragon’s Blood (Xuejie) - 30g
Mastic (Ruxiang) - 5g
Musk (Shexiang) - 1g
Myrrh (Moyao) - 5g
Pinellia (ShengBanXia) - 5g

Grind up place in alcohol stir weekly ready on 60 days
really strong after 6 months. Keep out of open wounds
OTD[/QUOTE]

You have to be insane to use any formula that contains cinnabar.

There are other alternatives.

Posting such a formula is reckless and shows your total lack of knowledge.

Do not use cinnabar ever as its naturally occurring mercury. It is highly toxic and using a formula like this over time will be detrimental to you health.

By the way who are you OTD and where did you get this formula?

It would seem you have not much experience if you do not know the ingredients in your formulas and what they can do to you.

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Mmmm, cinnabar 'Jow, my favorite. ~Of course the mineral must be ground up after it is submerged to avoid the possibility of mercury sulfide inhalation…mmmm. Well, that’s what they told me, anyway. Not that I would ever attempt such a thing…

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Dale Dugas
Dit Da Jow Master Brewer

BTW there is more mercury in one tooth filling than in 10 gallons of this
Jow. I have PM you the site where this particular Wing Chun jow is
from.(It has been on the net since 1992 in one form or another)
I have no dog in this fight
OTD

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Another jow

Heavy metals taken out. It is a great general purpose Jow for Iron Palm, bruise healing, pain reducing, and circulation enhancing. Instructions are posted for 2 ways of making 1 gallon of the Jow.

For making approximately 1 gallon

Fu Zi–30 gm (1 oz. is 28 gm. For convenience, we say 30 gm)
Ban Xia–30 gm
Di Gu Pi–60 gm
Bai Bu–60 gm
Long Gu–30 gm (optional–this is heat-treated cow bone (dragon bone))
Tian Nan Xing–30 gm
Hong Hua–30 gm
She Chuang Zi–30 gm
Chuan Xiong–30 gm
Hua Jiao–15 gm–will be phased out due to new FDA restrictions
San Qi–15 gm
Xue Jie–30 gm
Ru Xiang–30 gm
Mo Yao–30 gm
Ding Xiang–30 gm
Dang Gui–30 gm
Da Huang–15 gm
Add separately after cooking:
Camphor/Borneol Crystals–15 gm
Menthol Crystals–15 gm

The total cost for the herbs listed above is $50.

The simple quick method for making this is to bring the herbs to a rolling boil in 1/2 gallon of water, simmer for 30 minutes (covered), cool, add 1/2 gallon of 95% alcohol (Everclear, grain alcohol) into a large glass jar with the herbs (or split it into 2-4 smaller glass containers), shake, and leave it on a dark shelf (or bury it in the earth) for as long as you’re willing–from 1 week to 2 months. Then strain, squeeze, and bottle for use.

The slower method:

Put the herbs, preferrably powdered, into 1-4 different glass containers (we like quart glass jars) and cover with a 30-50% alcohol (vodka, Everclear/water mix, distilled rice wine, or sake/vodka/grain alcohol mix). Put it on a dark shelf or bury it, leave it for 6-12 months. Strain off the alcohol and press the herbs in a muslin bag or pillowcase to get all of the liquid possible out, then bottle the Jow for use.

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Why not just leave it brewing in the herbs till you are doen with all the jow?
In a bigger jar and then just transfer to smaller one as the need arises ?

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Larger jars

You can, however, back in the late '50’s - early 60’s very large jars (1 - 2 gal)
were hard to come by. If you could find some they were usually very thinned
walled, and would easly break. On the other hand quart - 1/2 gallon mason jars
were cheap and could be found every where. Remember besides the alcohol cost
the herbs were hard to come byand costly (unless you were on the west coast) and money did not grow on trees.
OTD

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[QUOTE=OTD;834403]You can, however, back in the late '50’s - early 60’s very large jars (1 - 2 gal)
were hard to come by. If you could find some they were usually very thinned
walled, and would easly break. On the other hand quart - 1/2 gallon mason jars
were cheap and could be found every where. Remember besides the alcohol cost
the herbs were hard to come byand costly (unless you were on the west coast) and money did not grow on trees.
OTD[/QUOTE]

Ah, cool, I understand.

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[QUOTE=OTD;834382]Heavy metals taken out. It is a great general purpose Jow for Iron Palm, bruise healing, pain reducing, and circulation enhancing. Instructions are posted for 2 ways of making 1 gallon of the Jow.

For making approximately 1 gallon

Fu Zi–30 gm (1 oz. is 28 gm. For convenience, we say 30 gm)
Ban Xia–30 gm
Di Gu Pi–60 gm
Bai Bu–60 gm
Long Gu–30 gm (optional–this is heat-treated cow bone (dragon bone))
Tian Nan Xing–30 gm
Hong Hua–30 gm
She Chuang Zi–30 gm
Chuan Xiong–30 gm
Hua Jiao–15 gm–will be phased out due to new FDA restrictions
San Qi–15 gm
Xue Jie–30 gm
Ru Xiang–30 gm
Mo Yao–30 gm
Ding Xiang–30 gm
Dang Gui–30 gm
Da Huang–15 gm
Add separately after cooking:
Camphor/Borneol Crystals–15 gm
Menthol Crystals--15 gm

The total cost for the herbs listed above is $50.

The simple quick method for making this is to bring the herbs to a rolling boil in 1/2 gallon of water, simmer for 30 minutes (covered), cool, add 1/2 gallon of 95% alcohol (Everclear, grain alcohol) into a large glass jar with the herbs (or split it into 2-4 smaller glass containers), shake, and leave it on a dark shelf (or bury it in the earth) for as long as you’re willing–from 1 week to 2 months. Then strain, squeeze, and bottle for use.

The slower method:

Put the herbs, preferrably powdered, into 1-4 different glass containers (we like quart glass jars) and cover with a 30-50% alcohol (vodka, Everclear/water mix, distilled rice wine, or sake/vodka/grain alcohol mix). Put it on a dark shelf or bury it, leave it for 6-12 months. Strain off the alcohol and press the herbs in a muslin bag or pillowcase to get all of the liquid possible out, then bottle the Jow for use.[/QUOTE]

again you post up formulas that are not your own as you mentioned in the PM you sent me.

The herbs in bold are toxic and extreme care should be taken before you use them in the amounts you suggest. You make no mention of using either the raw form or the prepared version as you do not know the difference.

You lack of herbal training/knowledge is showing through.

Stop posting recipes of which you have no experience with and no knowledge on preparation.

Whose website did you take this formula from?

When you take something and post it elsewhere you should add the information as you are trying to make it look like you know something.

Why not tell us how many years you have been studying and working with Chinese medicine?

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[QUOTE=OTD;834375]Dale Dugas
Dit Da Jow Master Brewer

BTW there is more mercury in one tooth filling than in 10 gallons of this
Jow. I have PM you the site where this particular Wing Chun jow is
from.(It has been on the net since 1992 in one form or another)
I have no dog in this fight
OTD[/QUOTE]

Then why not cite the source of your recipe rather than post it with the assumption that you know what it is and all that it entails?

Why pose as someone who has direct herbal knowledge rather than being some nameless troll who is posting formula.

You and your actions are why I come down hard on topics such as this one. You and your lack of knowledge might cause problems to someone who assumes you know what you are doing.

Again I ask you to not only post formula you have no direct knowledge of and to cite where you get this information rather than post it like it is your own.

I am thinking you are young and have no direct training in Dit Da Ke other than what you are googling off the net.

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This is the PM that OTD sent to me when I asked him to cite the sources of his formula.

Dale
Thanks for your reply, I should have tagged the link to the post.
BTW I have been doing Jow/herbs since the 40’s no disrespect to your credentials. I notice that on your jow preprations you only post minimial info in the contents.. Do you put all the contents (but not the actual amounts) on the bottles when purchased by a customer?
Again thanks for reminding me in the future to put the actual link in the post
OTD

Since the 40’s??.

Total and utter BS on that.

If you have been doing herbs since the 40’s then why are you taking others formulas and trying to make it look to others that they are your own? Y

How old are you if you have been doing herbs since the 40’s? It would seem you would have learned something, like what herbs are poisonous and dangerous to use unless you have learned how.

I would very much like to know who you are and how old you are.

Im thinking you are a young kid who is way out of his league.

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Dale
Nowhere in either posting of jow formulas did I imply or inferr that they were mine.
I would like it very much to be young again. I also notices on you web site for your jows you do not give owner credit from the translations of “old” receipes
of the jows ?
OTD

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[QUOTE=OTD;834444]Dale
Nowhere in either posting of jow formulas did I imply or inferr that they were mine.
I would like it very much to be young again. I also notices on you web site for your jows you do not give owner credit from the translations of “old” receipes
of the jows ?
OTD[/QUOTE]

The issue with putting out Jow info liek you did is that, you really should put out your own personal info too.
We all know Dale and his background, he puts his name there and here.
We know of his training with GM Chicoine and Sifu Painter.
You on the other hand, we don’t know anything at all.

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[QUOTE=OTD;834444]Dale
Nowhere in either posting of jow formulas did I imply or inferr that they were mine.
I would like it very much to be young again. I also notices on you web site for your jows you do not give owner credit from the translations of “old” receipes
of the jows ?
OTD[/QUOTE]

I got many formula from teachers and herbalists over the years and have tweaked them using my background to produce superior formulas that are my own.

Unlike yourself I have the skills and knowledge to know that the formulas you are posting about are dangerous in the hands of someone who does not know.

As Ronin pointed out Im all over and use my name and post up where I can be found and what I do and have done.

How about yourself?

Man enough to step up and be counted as real versus net persona?

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[QUOTE=OTD;834444]Dale
Nowhere in either posting of jow formulas did I imply or inferr that they were mine.
I would like it very much to be young again. I also notices on you web site for your jows you do not give owner credit from the translations of “old” receipes
of the jows ?
OTD[/QUOTE]

Spelling and grammar and googled formulas without citation.

Im again thinking he is a young man who is seeking.