[QUOTE=Wayfaring;1022449]So from this what I’m getting is that what you are referring to as fighting is mostly a controlled sparring environment with pads? At least what you experience on a consistent basis, right? Your standup is with a timer and rounds so that it incorporates conditioning?
Some of the arts you listed have practitioners that refer to what they do as a fight, others do not. For example, most wrestlers refer to their competitive events as “matches” instead of “fights”.[/QUOTE]
You can do it without protective gear and rounds if you want…you could use various levels of “control” as well. The point is that it is full contact or a variant of it. That’s how you find the holes in any system.
That’s why I know that gaan sao against a hard round kick doesn’t work, even kwan sao (though better than the gaan) isn’t advisable because a faster and more efficient movement is simply to move your feet to move away from the kick, with covering or checking as more common measures because of the speed of the kick.
But I do understand that you have to do what you have to do. Things happen so quickly that you may only be in a position for kwan sao, or trying to absorb it in some fashion…though again…teaching a gaan sao against a kick just isn’t ethical.
[QUOTE=m1k3;1022443]LoneTiger, could you explain to me how you would block a kick with your elbow. I just can’t picture the technique. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Hello,
Not from Wing Chun but from Silat they have a concept called the Elbow Shield. Essentially, they bend the body low and place the elbow near the hip. The idea is to present a smaller target and to put the bony part of the elbow in the path of a kick. Not so much blocking, but more like laying the elbow in the potential path.
I am sure my explanation is not doing justice to the concept but perhaps it will stimulate some thought and ideas for workable methods.
Also, when I learned Wing Chun it was stressed to block legs using legs not trying to use hands unless absolutely necessary. Also, if timing is right then stepping into any attack, leg or hands can be of benefit.
Not from Wing Chun but from Silat they have a concept called the Elbow Shield. Essentially, they bend the body low and place the elbow near the hip. The idea is to present a smaller target and to put the bony part of the elbow in the path of a kick. Not so much blocking, but more like laying the elbow in the potential path.
I am sure my explanation is not doing justice to the concept but perhaps it will stimulate some thought and ideas for workable methods.
Also, when I learned Wing Chun it was stressed to block legs using legs not trying to use hands unless absolutely necessary. Also, if timing is right then stepping into any attack, leg or hands can be of benefit.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Eric_H;1022456]Overall though, I haven’t found holes in the science/logic/structure behind Hung Fa Yi WC yet, only in the partners I train with. No matter what systems, go after good coaches and good partners who will make you better.
[QUOTE=Vankuen;1022519]a faster and more efficient movement is simply to move your feet to move away from the kick, with covering or checking as more common measures because of the speed of the kick.
But I do understand that you have to do what you have to do. Things happen so quickly that you may only be in a position for kwan sao, or trying to absorb it in some fashion…though again…teaching a gaan sao against a kick just isn’t ethical.[/QUOTE]
Chun prefers to use legs against legs, at least some Chun.. However, using a gongsao or whatever with a kick can work just fine, it depends, and the given is the use of movement and position and offensive energy issuing along with whatever the hands/arms are doing–no you don’t try to absorb the full force of a kick with a hand/arm..:rolleyes:
As far as lopsao (or whatever move) goes the whole point of lop is dependent on a particular kind of inside resistance–if they don’t give you that energy and position then a classic lop won’t happen…
[QUOTE=Vankuen;1022422]If you’re talking about the gaan sao against the kick…and you advocate that…then you’ve obviously never tried to block a real kick. Otherwise your arm would be broken. Just try it–have a guy throw a nice round kick with some heat on it and you block it directly with your forearm. You’ll notice (1) a little discomfort and (2) feedback into your whole arm. If the kick is full force–you’ll notice (1) swelling (2) bruises, (3) broken bone.
It’s common knowledge amongst just about any full contact fighting form to NOT block a round kick with the lower forearm.[/QUOTE]
Thats just the thing, the gaan shouldn’t clash with the kick. If it does, you’re doing it wrong.
But the fact you think it should clash with it clearly signifies what you’re doing wrong. Keep thinking that you should check a kick with your shin rather than go forward with the foot, keep thinking that because you train like **** everyone else does.
So how exactly should it be done if it doesnt clash with the kick? your supposed to hold the arm out like a limp noodle and expect it to stop a full force round house?
[QUOTE=shawchemical;1022600]keep thinking that because you train like **** everyone else does[/QUOTE]
you mean the easiest and most proven way? yes how silly of him:rolleyes:
[QUOTE=goju;1022604]So how exactly should it be done if it doesnt clash with the kick? your supposed to hold the arm out like a limp noodle and expect it to stop a full force round house?
you mean the easiest and most proven way? yes how silly of him:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Fu/ck off moron.
It shouldn’t clash with it, but that is hardly equal to just holding it out there limply.
And it shouldn’t be on the shin, it should be on the thigh, above the knee.
How cute. Shaw likes to act like a tough guy on the internet.
If you’re close enough to use your gaan sao on the thigh, then you needn’t worry about the kick at all because you’re close enough to hit them already. Hence the idea of stepping into the kick as some more intelligent people than you have said.
[QUOTE=shawchemical;1022600]Thats just the thing, the gaan shouldn’t clash with the kick. If it does, you’re doing it wrong.
But the fact you think it should clash with it clearly signifies what you’re doing wrong. Keep thinking that you should check a kick with your shin rather than go forward with the foot, keep thinking that because you train like **** everyone else does.
Fool.[/QUOTE]
Dee dee dee! Did you type all that while wearing your rainbow hat and eating a bucket of friend chicken?
I never said I think it should clash, I’m saying it’s taught that way by most “sifu’s”.
The first thing is to move, be it away from the kick to catch, or into the kick to intercept or clinch. The most common however is to check it because the speed of the kick. When I do check, I check hard round kicks with my knee’s, not my shins where possible. If I check with the shin it’s the upper shin.
Not to mention I believe that’s already been said to move into the kick, more than once…so your babbling is futile.
[QUOTE=Vankuen;1022615]How cute. Shaw likes to act like a tough guy on the internet.
If you’re close enough to use your gaan sao on the thigh, then you needn’t worry about the kick at all because you’re close enough to hit them already. Hence the idea of stepping into the kick as some more intelligent people than you have said.[/QUOTE]
The same Idea as the kwan sau, the bong sau gets you most fo the way there, and the taan sau is the secondary, here the footwork gets you most of the way there, but the gaan sau is the secodnary. Just in case you hadn’t noticed, knees in the floating ribs hurt. Stepping in will avoid most of the force of a hard kick, but not all.
Nothing to do with being a tough guy, IF anyone, Goju the incompetent is the one picking the fight.
[QUOTE=Vankuen;1022617]Dee dee dee! Did you type all that while wearing your rainbow hat and eating a bucket of friend chicken?
I never said I think it should clash, I’m saying it’s taught that way by most “sifu’s”.
The first thing is to move, be it away from the kick to catch, or into the kick to intercept or clinch. The most common however is to check it because the speed of the kick. When I do check, I check hard round kicks with my knee’s, not my shins where possible. If I check with the shin it’s the upper shin.
Not to mention I believe that’s already been said to move into the kick, more than once…so your babbling is futile.[/QUOTE]
You shoudln’t use the shin, you should intercept with the foot.
This bullsh/it you roll out about how most sifu’s do it just makes you look the fool. Why bother with how other people do it if it’s wrong? If it’s wrong, you dont’ need to refer to it, just refer to how it’s done right.
There’s no babbling halfwit, you just have to get your own point straight before you start criticising others.
[QUOTE=goju;1022619]your either clashing it by meeting force with force or blocking it by redirecting it. theres no other way to block an attack
:rolleyes:
and how was i picking a fight? im merely asking a question and you responded by acting like an ass[/QUOTE]
I just can’t picture the technique. Thanks.[/QUOTE]
