Which skills from others systems have you guys found useful to complement your wing chun skills?
the atomic nut crusher… works every time or your money back.
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1021942]Which skills from others systems have you guys found useful to complement your wing chun skills?[/QUOTE]
anything that lets me throw an attack at the guy…I try to keep an open mind to MA in general and absorb all I can. Im not a ‘VT or die fighter’ by any stretch of the imagination 
Don’t just be a student of WCK, be a student of martial arts.
Learn striking, kicking, throwing, joint locks, chokes, ground fighting. And also learn projectile, impact and bladed weapons. Explosives are fun, as are modern methods of warfare. Learn the way of strategy.
WCK is a small sliver of martial arts sum total.
projectiles…! hah I took up shooting small arms and ended up as an firearms instructor for a short while . VT carries over to practical pistol (9mm 35/357.) competitions ..the grip …stance steps. facing …ambidextrous hand use…
many arts translate to shooting…aikido gives 360 firig from a crouch. tai chi relaxed stances , sanchin breathing for stress control…to name a few.
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1021942]Which skills from others systems have you guys found useful to complement your wing chun skills?[/QUOTE]
I have black belts in Jiujitsu, but it will not compliment my wing chun. My wing chun can however compliment my jiujitsu as it does offer good entry techniques.
The Lee Chiang Hung Fa Wing Chun system has plenty of holds, throws, and entry technique of it’s own. That’s right. I am claiming my very own family lineage that I. fully expect to enherit.
Hello,
I have found the footwork from Silat and Kuntao to be beneficial to my training and approach to WC. There are patterns used in training which can enhance ones mobility. I also find the weapons training to be excellent for hand eye coordination as well.
Also, the concepts and techniques of changing ones level from high to low and in between is of benefit. IMHO
[QUOTE=chusauli;1022032]Don’t just be a student of WCK, be a student of martial arts.
Learn striking, kicking, throwing, joint locks, chokes, ground fighting. And also learn projectile, impact and bladed weapons. Explosives are fun, as are modern methods of warfare. Learn the way of strategy.
WCK is a small sliver of martial arts sum total.[/QUOTE]
I agree Robert, perhaps you can share some of your discoveries of specialized skills in some of the different martial arts that you have studied over the years. As well as how they have influenced your personnal style.
For me, my study in chen style tai chi really helped improved my understanding of alignment and body structure/usage in wing chun. Also I found that the grappling skills of Chen tai chi was a natural extension of my wing chun skills.
My training in muai thai, kyokushin, American kickboxing, and san shou helped with developing my timing and distance awareness as well as conditioning my body to take punishment. which is very useful in the sport arena.
BJJ training helped me to become more familar with the laws/physics of the ground invironment when applying wing chun there.
I really like the takedowns of Penjack silat, but unfortunately I have never studied it formally.
When I study a perticular martial art, I focus on the specialize skill that the style is known for, then I train to become good at the skill. I dont pay too much attention to styles necessarily but more to the core skill training.
It would be interesting to hear about some of the core skills training that you guys have been exposed to during your martial arts career in some of the different styles of martial arts, and how how you guys look at integrating these skills in your wing chun or fighting.
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1021942]Which skills from others systems have you guys found useful to complement your wing chun skills?[/QUOTE]
Dunno about other martial arts, as I’ve only ever been formerly trained in karate as a child prior to starting Wing Chun. As a foundation, karate was excellent. For me though it’s more about how Wing Chun helps to compliment other martial arts as I find most of what I need right here, in my Wing Chun curriculum, and I’ve yet to find anything else that challenges my capabilities and interests as much as that.
OUTSIDE of martial arts though, a whole range of sports I played as a child must have had an effect on my physical capabilities. From athletics to football and boxing to trampolining, all have helped shaped me into the person I am today. I especially like the team mentality and strategy of football, and as an Englishman if there was one example of something that directly complimented my training it was the team spirit I drew from the field. Especially the 5-a-side game. 
How do you guys find the time and money to train in all these martial arts?
The prey mantis
- (Gou Shou) can be integrated into the WC (Tan Shou) .
- (Diao Shou) can be integrated into the WC (Fu Shou).
It can add more hooking into WC’s sticky, and that will be a plus IMO.
[QUOTE=IRONMONK;1022136]How do you guys find the time and money to train in all these martial arts?[/QUOTE]
You can get books off ebay for pretty cheap.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1022152]The prey mantis
- (Gou Shou) can be integrated into the WC (Tan Shou) .
- (Diao Shou) can be integrated into the WC (Fu Shou).
It can add more hooking into WC’s sticky, and that will be a plus IMO.[/QUOTE]
How would hooking be a plus? I find it real hard to defend center and throw hooks at the same time. Coming out and around takes me too long.
Wing Chun already has the most efficient punch, so why would you want to incorperate probably the least efficient?
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1022169]How would hooking be a plus? [/QUOTE]
You don’t need hooking for defense. When you try to reverse your defense into offense (ready to enter), it will be helpful.
A hooking is like a Judo “sleeve hold”, it can connect you and your opponent’s body together. When you use your hooking to pull, you will either pull your opponent into you, or your will pull yourself into your opponent. Either way the distance between you and your opponent will be reduced. It will also give you the initial momentum for your “fast entering”.
For people who may like to integrate the throwing skill into WC, that hooking will be very helpful.
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1022169]Wing Chun already has the most efficient punch, so why would you want to incorperate probably the least efficient?[/QUOTE]
(Gou Shou) and (Diao Shou) are not punches. IMO, if we care about “cross training”, we should keep our mind open.
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1021942]Which skills from others systems have you guys found useful to complement your wing chun skills?[/QUOTE]
I’ve found the opposite to be more true. For example…I’ve found through pressure testing that although wing chun can be effective as a system, much of what is practiced in wing chun doesn’t work against skilled people. Or in other words, much of what is practiced doesn’t isn’t going to present itself that way in a fight. Take that versus something like Muay Thai, or wrestling, or BJJ, or Sambo, or Kyokushin, Sanshou, or even Krav Maga…where ALL of what is practiced in the system is effective as trained.
So do you take a system where only 30% of what is taught is proven effective in a fight and compliment it with something where 100% of its teachings are effective? Or vice versa? Logically, the latter would be the better choice.
But to answer your question more succinctly and staying in the mindset suggested above, I’ve found that wing chun has complimented my Muay Thai game nicely. Muay Thai works all standup ranges, from kicks, to punches, knees, and elbows, clinching, and throwing. Wing Chun as well uses kicks, punches, and elbows, with a smidget of knee techniques. So I’ve found that the [wing chun] ability to sense and manipulate the structure and enter quickly can help to dissolve standard punches to open a line for attack, and aid in putting me dominant positions for clinch work–or even stop clinchwork. It has seemingly allowed me to take advantage of opportunities missed by my sparring partners that have not trained in wing chun.
So wing chun has complimented my overall game, not vice versa.
[QUOTE=chusauli;1022032]Don’t just be a student of WCK, be a student of martial arts.
Learn striking, kicking, throwing, joint locks, chokes, ground fighting. And also learn projectile, impact and bladed weapons. Explosives are fun, as are modern methods of warfare. Learn the way of strategy.
WCK is a small sliver of martial arts sum total.[/QUOTE]
I think the Marines say “One weapon”…meaning the mind—using all methods..
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1022029]anything that lets me throw an attack at the guy…I try to keep an open mind to MA in general and absorb all I can. Im not a ‘VT or die fighter’ by any stretch of the imagination :D[/QUOTE]
Have you done ground?
[QUOTE=Vankuen;1022220]I’ve found the opposite to be more true. For example…I’ve found through pressure testing that although wing chun can be effective as a system, much of what is practiced in wing chun doesn’t work against skilled people. Or in other words, much of what is practiced doesn’t isn’t going to present itself that way in a fight. Take that versus something like Muay Thai, or wrestling, or BJJ, or Sambo, or Kyokushin, Sanshou, or even Krav Maga…where ALL of what is practiced in the system is effective as trained.
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I always find it quite suprising when I read something like this. Coming from boxing to WC, my experience has been the exact opposite of yours. From day one, everything I have learned in WC translates directly to fighting, in terms of both effectiveness and efficiency. WC training is about just that - learning how to fight both effectively and efficiently. How does that training not produce results against skilled poeple where other MA’s do?
It’s a shame you haven’t found this in the WC you’ve trained. 
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1022169]How would hooking be a plus? I find it real hard to defend center and throw hooks at the same time. Coming out and around takes me too long.
Wing Chun already has the most efficient punch, so why would you want to incorperate probably the least efficient?[/QUOTE]
I believe he is speaking about hooking hands similar to kau sao to control and pull, not hook punches. And yes I agree!
[QUOTE=YungChun;1022229]I think the Marines say “One weapon”…meaning the mind—using all methods..[/QUOTE]
Close, it’s “One mind, any weapon”. Even though I did boot camp a long time ago one of the things that really stuck with me was weapons of opportunity. Your environment is filled with weapons if you chose to use them from sticks, rocks, that pen in your pocket, a cup of coffee and one demo we saw the instructor blew his nose into his hand and reached for the recruit with it, the recruit reacted with disgust focusing on the handful of snot :eek: when the instructor clocked him with the other hand.
There is no such thing as a fair fight, only fights you win and fights that you don’t.