back in the day 
circa 1981-85
the single leg was shot with the head to the inside to keep the noggin away from that nasty cross face.
now, it seems, that the single is shot with the head outside.
why?
inside unless you like the guillotine (sp). I donât. Outside only if you have a underhook and leg high so youâre setting up for a trip.
Generally there is a single leg (head to the inside) and a high-crotch is with the head to the outside. There are variations of low shots with the head to the outside but they arenât as common. When I shoot a high-crotch I almost always switch to a double leg immediately.
You can get into a lot of trouble with the head to the outside on the single (high-crotch) because your opponent can spin and get your back with your arm trapped. Using the single leg (head to the inside), you can get caught in an omo-plata (not that common) but it is the safer of the two. The double leg with the head to the outside can get you caught with the guillotine but just like it is often easy to get⌠it is easy to defend.
Just gotta be careful on those takedowns 
edit: MerryPrankster should have some good feedback on this topic
on a single leg with the head to the outside, if the head is pushed up against the leg or side, then a crossface or guillotine is not so easy to apply, of course it can still be done, but it is not as easy as some people may think. A guillotine can be attempted from either side of a single leg but with less leverage from the inside. With the head to the outside two advantages are that the opponentâs back or a side mount can be achieved easier from the take down (from a mobility stand point). the head to the inside can keep you protected a little better on the shoot and can fascilitate control of both legs easier and passing the guard. Of course it all depends on who you try to use them on.
inside unless you like the guillotine (sp). I donât. Outside only if you have a underhook and leg high so youâre setting up for a trip.
agreed.
Generally there is a single leg (head to the inside) and a high-crotch is with the head to the outside. There are variations of low shots with the head to the outside but they arenât as common. When I shoot a high-crotch I almost always switch to a double leg immediately.
ok, so technically two different things.
You can get into a lot of trouble with the head to the outside on the single (high-crotch) because your opponent can spin and get your back with your arm trapped.
wizzer, right?
thatâs what we worked on last nightâŚdefending against the single after your leg has been caught from the kick. mostly went to the wizzer and cross faces.
Using the single leg (head to the inside), you can get caught in an omo-plata (not that common) but it is the safer of the two. The double leg with the head to the outside can get you caught with the guillotine but just like it is often easy to get⌠it is easy to defend.
Just gotta be careful on those takedowns
edit: MerryPrankster should have some good feedback on this topic
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saw omo-plata last night as well, but just for a second.
was curious about it as in HS the rule as taught to us was cut and dry:
Single = head inside
Double = head outside
just wondering what sort of evolution had taken place.
thanks
btw, Apoweyn has some more clips from my judo matches this past weekend. Since I am still much more a kung fu guy with a wrestling back ground than judo, I look forward to criticisms from you guys.
wizzer, right?
thatâs what we worked on last nightâŚdefending against the single after your leg has been caught from the kick. mostly went to the wizzer and cross faces.
a wh!zzer (spelled with an H but the word wh!z is blocked on ths site) is used when they have the head to the inside, crossface is when the have the head to the outside. Also, the only time I donât switch to a doulbe off the high crotch is when have a really good setup for the takedown that leaves my opponent off balance enough that I can turn the corner. That of course is what I did in wrestling but Iâm more cautious in submission wrestling/bjj.
was curious about it as in HS the rule as taught to us was cut and dry:
Single = head inside
Double = head outside
just wondering what sort of evolution had taken place.
Wrestling hasnât changed in ohhh⌠at least 75 years so what you say is correct âŚbut also high single with the head to the outside is called a high crotch and a low single with the head to the outside is called âa low single with the head outsideâ and is also know as the âJohn Smith singleâ or similar phrase, named after Olympic wrestler known for said takedown.
After all that, a shooting attack on 1 leg is technically a single leg regardless of placement of the head. Names and terms were just shortened over time.
Shooting with the head to the outside already? âPlease put me in a crucifixâ?
:rolleyes:
I dont shoot, and when people do shoot, I try and move their head to the outside if it isnt already there.
Please put me in a crucifix
Good luck with that one
Sheeot, its one of my favorite moves. :eek:
I practice it, and use it in free wrestling. :eek: :eek:
Ill soon to be using it in sparring as well. :eek: :eek: :eek:
âplease put me in a crucifixâ
what is a crucifix? is that like a double underhook?
I wasnât a great wrestler only won about half my matches and we didnât learn many particular names to techniques or set ups. I would shoot the single leg a lot more than double (mainly because everyone was about 10-12 lbs heavier than me and I would get squashed by the sprawl).
âlike a double underhook?â
more or less.
Meat Shake,
Please explain how the crucifix submission is done when someone shoots a high crotch (single with head to the outside). Iâll help⌠you canât :p. If you are referring to the crucifix position then yeah⌠I have seen that as a counter to the high crotch but rarely see someone finish from there.
The double leg takedown, which is with the head to the outside, is the most common takedown in grappling and MMA. I havenât seen many if any matches with someone finished with a crucifix as a counter to the double leg.
Oso and truewrestler have caught the correct on single legs and high crotches.
Singles should be done with the head on the inside. Head on the outside results in a crossface.
Brothernumber9,
You can mitigate a crossface by gluing your head to their body, but this is TEMPORARY. You need to turn the corner ASAP or enjoy having your head snapped back. The bottom line is that a single with the head on the outside is a bad idea unless you are turning the corner immediately, ala high crotch.
TW has caught the insanely incorrect about the Crucifix (no hard feelingsâŚ). You most certainly CAN hit a crucifix from a person shooting a single/high crotch with the head on the outside. You just have to create the space between your leg and the inside arm. You will of course sit through to finish it on the ground.
Nobody with any ounce of experience or a decent base will allow you to crucifix them off a shot. LOUSY counter.
I use the john smith single almost exclusively when shooting to my right. Duck under and arm drags to my leftâŚ
âYou can mitigate a crossface by gluing your head to their body, but this is TEMPORARY. You need to turn the corner ASAP or enjoy having your head snapped back. The bottom line is that a single with the head on the outside is a bad idea unless you are turning the corner immediately, ala high crotch.â
agreed, I had enough racoon eyes to imply otherwise
TW has caught the insanely incorrect about the Crucifix (no hard feelingsâŚ). You most certainly CAN hit a crucifix from a person shooting a single/high crotch with the head on the outside.
****⌠foiled again⌠I know I know⌠you CAN but good luck
Good point⌠there are many things you can do once you get the inside arm underhooked and arm around the head.
Originally posted by Merryprankster
I use the john smith single almost exclusively when shooting to my right.
Whatâs a John Smith single?
View all the preview videos on these pages (seems to be some overlap)
http://www.goldmedalvideos.com/smithlow.htm
http://www.goldmedalvideos.com/smithcreds.htm
For some reason I was under the impression that he was known for using the head on the outside. I donât see that in these videos so can someone let me know for sure if this is incorrect. Thanks
I dont really use the crucifix for a submission. I use it as a takedown from having someone in a headlock, but usually instead of underhooking the inside arm, I force the shoulder down while kicking out the inside leg and pulling up on the outside arm which Ive underhooked.
Are you talking about flipping the turtle off a sprawl MS?
Originally posted by Meat Shake
I dont really use the crucifix for a submission. I use it as a takedown from having someone in a headlock, but usually instead of underhooking the inside arm, I force the shoulder down while kicking out the inside leg and pulling up on the outside arm which Ive underhooked.
Ok, thatâs the crucifix position not submission. Completely different but just as ineffective