[QUOTE=Oso;1165718]JP, like Scott said, probably best to not spar with bawang…I still think he’s Ross but I could be wrong…
I have to say that sometimes, when you get the correct perspective on a thing, it’s only obvious that it’s a big lie…which you already know. There is no real need to justify yourself here. Especially if SD is in your past.[/QUOTE]
he’s not Ross - I’ve communicated w bawang off-forum (he’s actually one of my FB friends, Matt, u might b able to even figure out who he his…);
Ross hasn’t been on this forum in months - he now regularly posts over at imacombat.forumotion.com/ (it’s a neat forum - the discussions are substantive, and they moderate very actively for trolls; thy also don’t let you in unless u use your real name and give them background on who u r first)
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1165730]he’s not Ross - I’ve communicated w bawang off-forum (he’s actually one of my FB friends, Matt, u might b able to even figure out who he his…);
Ross hasn’t been on this forum in months - he now regularly posts over at imacombat.forumotion.com/ (it’s a neat forum - the discussions are substantive, and they moderate very actively for trolls; thy also don’t let you in unless u use your real name and give them background on who u r first)[/QUOTE]
Of course you are going to say that Silly! It’s well know that you are also Ross!
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1165730]he’s not Ross - I’ve communicated w bawang off-forum (he’s actually one of my FB friends, Matt, u might b able to even figure out who he his…);
Ross hasn’t been on this forum in months - he now regularly posts over at imacombat.forumotion.com/ (it’s a neat forum - the discussions are substantive, and they moderate very actively for trolls; thy also don’t let you in unless u use your real name and give them background on who u r first)[/QUOTE]
Ross hasn’t been on this forum in months - he now regularly posts over at imacombat.forumotion.com/ (it’s a neat forum - the discussions are substantive, and they moderate very actively for trolls; thy also don’t let you in unless u use your real name and give them background on who u r first)[/QUOTE]
thanks for telling me my fren. now i can read more inspiring words from the mighty david ross.
i pray to chinese jesus he one day come back to this forum, he is a great hero like guan gong, or george bush.
It doesn’t matter if it’s really Ross, it’s the spirit and philosophy of Ross that makes it real for me. That’s all that counts, not the accusations of being fake Ross.
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1165730]he’s not Ross - I’ve communicated w bawang off-forum (he’s actually one of my FB friends, Matt, u might b able to even figure out who he his…);
Ross hasn’t been on this forum in months - he now regularly posts over at imacombat.forumotion.com/ (it’s a neat forum - the discussions are substantive, and they moderate very actively for trolls; thy also don’t let you in unless u use your real name and give them background on who u r first)[/QUOTE]
fair enough…i said i could be wrong now, time to peruse your friends list
you got too many friends…some pretty cute lady friends at that
i’m guessing it’s gene…
oh, wait…not you Scott…Chris…ok, obviously time for bed. only two more days left on the old job and i need my beauty sleep so i don’t choke the boss out sometime in the next two days…
[QUOTE=Judge Pen;1165688]In western religion, we have this thing about not being judgmental of other people’s religions or beliefs. Something about removing the plank from your own eye before complaining about the speck in your neighbors. Do buddhists practice that philophy too?
The technique was real, it just wasn’t real shaolin. As I wasn’t intending to practice buddhism I don’t think I was being disrespectful. It might be different if I was telling the lie instead of making techniques work for me.[/QUOTE]
Some of the most judgmental people I’ve ever met anywhere have been Christians right here.
Calling a fraud and a lie a fraud and a lie is not judging, it’s state a fact.
If someone admits that they made something up and passed it off as something that it wasn’t ie: NOT made up, then that is fraud and an admittance of lying.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1165807]Calling a fraud and a lie a fraud and a lie is not judging, it’s state a fact.
If someone admits that they made something up and passed it off as something that it wasn’t ie: NOT made up, then that is fraud and an admittance of lying.[/QUOTE]
I wasn’t talking about what Sin The did. Facts are facts. Bawang and I were having a discussion about his opinion that I was desecrating shaolin and Chan Buddhism because I trained in SD in the past and how I feel that the techniques had valid martial value even though they are not authentic shaolin kung fu forms.
Ultimately it is a personal thing but the morals and right and wrong of that person is different for all, It has been said that Sin The used his lies for self gain and that is true. No one was hurt due to them unless they originally wanted the REAL Shaolin Kung Fu. Others gained what they gained , fitness , health , endurance and respect . Yes respect for the Shaolin Temple in China. I have always respected Chinese MA and wanted to learn Shaolin Kung Fu. Still do SD hasnt changed that. I love Martial arts. and always will. SD cant change that. Many who have heard of the Shaolin Monastery would not have , had they not done or seen SD. So those that are offended need to look at it , in my opinion in a less personal way. If you are offended ask why , did it hurt your business or help it? Probably helped it if it wasnt real. You dont care that someone studied an art that isnt what it claims to be. No skin off your nose right.? So any way you look at it only those that did it and did not get what they wanted are the ones that are hurt. Its like that with any product Right? any way KC:D
look - the guy has misrepresented himself, brokering on the “mystique” of Shaolin to help sell his product; he played up the “esoteric Asian” schtick in order to get people to think they were doing something special and unique - all his claims of being “the only” this or that all fed this directly; and he invents this ridiculous, unverifiable story to support the fiction;
then he basically makes up the forms - not just the one he admitted to: clearly all the forms are made up by him (except the ones he just took out of books, of course);
and the organization is basically functioning out of a cult-like mentality - cult-of-personality and all that;
you can say all u want about the fighting skills u may hav acquired - but let’s be honest - the majority of people sign up for SD in order to get the Shaolin piece, including the “secret” fighting skills - no one is joining just to get “good basics” - they are there for the secret decoder ring material;
the whole thing is a scam, and if u got something that you feel is valuable from it, good for you, but fundamentally, by ur own admission, the main reason you joined has been shown to be untrue (and that is what people hav been stating here for years);
spin it all u want; it’s still “fraud salad” (to quote our portly Canadian Taoist member…)
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1165821]look - the guy has misrepresented himself, brokering on the “mystique” of Shaolin to help sell his product; he played up the “esoteric Asian” schtick in order to get people to think they were doing something special and unique - all his claims of being “the only” this or that all fed this directly; and he invents this ridiculous, unverifiable story to support the fiction;
then he basically makes up the forms - not just the one he admitted to: clearly all the forms are made up by him (except the ones he just took out of books, of course);
and the organization is basically functioning out of a cult-like mentality - cult-of-personality and all that;
you can say all u want about the fighting skills u may hav acquired - but let’s be honest - the majority of people sign up for SD in order to get the Shaolin piece, including the “secret” fighting skills - no one is joining just to get “good basics” - they are there for the secret decoder ring material;
the whole thing is a scam, and if u got something that you feel is valuable from it, good for you, but fundamentally, by ur own admission, the main reason you joined has been shown to be untrue (and that is what people hav been stating here for years);
spin it all u want; it’s still “fraud salad” (to quote our portly Canadian Taoist member…)[/QUOTE]
Yes U ARE RIGHT but being the optimist I am trying to make Lemonade out of Lemons and want to try to see something positive out of all this. KC
now, time to peruse your friends list