LOFL… I know this is going to light a fire under a few arses… I dont care. Say what you will. Have fun. hehehe…
Why don’t we just keep this where it was, or bring it all here…it’s up to you.
Doesnt really matter… a lot of people have a lot of problems with shaolin-do… hopefully people will just be mature about it…
Ill keep answering in the other forum too… hopefully I can find out some things here where people hate SD that I couldnt learn else where… or people are just gonna start ***ing. 
fck it. Im at work, dont have anything better to do anyways 
I haven’t had much direct exposure to it, it doesn’t upset me or make me lose sleep. It’s better than Chung Moo Quan/Chung Moo Doe, which was a cult which brainwashed and robbed it’s students. I find many of it’s claims, for lack of a better word, “silly”, ie historically and factually incorrect or impossible. And of course, anyone that claims they have mastered hundreds of SYSTEMS in their entirety…
but if you like it, that’s why this is the US
no no, I agree with you completely on the fact that if he was going to lie, he should have made it at least believabe… 900 forms is what GM Sin claims to know… I know that to not be true. How many he does know however, is still a question, Master leonard, his senior student has 250+ right now… but thats still 650 away from 900
I’ll bite. Now, I haven’t seen much Shaolin Do, but here is a description of what I noticed after watching a few of the classes.
Class started by working on a form. But when they taught it, they learned about 5 moves, practiced it about 3 times, and that was it. When corrections were made, they actually made the students structure worse. They were a lot more interested in depth of stance vs. correct alignment and when “applications” were taught, I couldn’t help chuckling.
The teacher was showing tem a phoenix eye fist. Never mind that he would break his hand the way he was holding it. He would DEFINITELY break his hand if he ever tried to hit someone the way he was showing it. A phoenix eye is not a punch, you can’t punch someone with a phoenix eye the way you would with a regular fist.
Then they did some throws, I’m not sure if it’s because they knew I was a SC guy or what. But let’s just say that when the teacher does a hip toss, he should be able to at least get the other guys feet off the floor.
After class, I decided to be fair and ask them some legitamate questions. I asked them about structure, body conditioning, power development exercises, basically the basics. The stuff that helps you fight. Thhey were clueless. They had absolutely no idea what I was asking about.
I left the school with the impression that the art was basically like a camaro with no engine and a bad paint job.
Shaolin do, in my opinion, is okay as long as you totally ignore sin the’s claims of possessing the one true shaolin and all.
After all, they don’t restrict you from learning under different teachers if you want, their instructors tend to have learned from other people, and thus it’s not a “Sin The to the exclusion of all others” sort of mindset. Not cultish, just sort of cheesy self promotional stuff from Sin The.
As for the martial arts, I think of it as a starter school- you will probably not get too burned by the organization, and you can figure out whether you’re into martial arts while you’re in it. And since the instructors can study with whomever they like in addition to Sin The, there’s probably some okay guys in there.
Mind you, the name is cheesy. But look at my handle. Who am I to judge?
well, since this thread didn’t immediately die, if he was gonna make stuff up, particularly names, he should have had a better translater…
my personal favorite
10,000 coackroach style
lol… sounds deadly.
The main interest I have to be honest, is to get to the 8 drunken immortal society. Its required to have a black belt to get in… 10 years in external curriculums, or at least 4 years kung fu… Dragon - where did you go watch a class? I know that even the school in round rock is taught very differently than it is here… only 120 miles away. (not in the forms, but in the attitude of the teachers and students)
It was in NW Indiana. The teacher was from Illinois, I wish I still had the business card he gave me. Apparently he also teaches the police, swat teams, CIA, all that good stuff.
hmm… well it wouldnt surprise me if some of the masters tend to “glorify” themselves in the same way that GM Sin did… dont know where I just read it, but something compared SD to kempo… lol… I have a friend thats a 4th degree blackbelt in kempo.. it looks nothing like SD
Neither does TKD or Hapkido… ect. ect… From what I can gather, it is a patchwork art… You may learn 1 full system… but its going to take a god **** long time… MAY learn… they need to change the slogan from the most comprehensive martial art to the most controversial…
Question for you S.D. Have you done any other Chinese systems? I’m just curious what your base of comparison would be.
theres a wushu school ive looked at here in town, and a wing chun school… neither really interested me… I have a friend that took PM privately from some little old chinese man that died a couple years ago… Ive never been enrolled into another chinese martial art however.
As for SD being chinese, Ive watched the videos of some of our students going to china. They performed some forms for the monks at the temple, and ill be ****ed, the monks did the EXACT SAME FORM! … I cannot contest to the legitimacy of the entire system… but they did a few forms the same
Well, my questions would be:
How is stance work taught? How much emphasis in the beginning?
How long does it take to learn 1 form?
What power development exercises do you do?
What equipment training? (long spear, rock poles, rope pulleys, stonelocks, etc)
How much emphasis on basic conditioning? (running, strength building exericises)
What drills do you focus on and how do they help you fight?
IMO, this is stuff that all needs to be covered before forms. The above are what are called “the basics” and compose about 90 % of my workouts.
It seems to me that Shaolin do has been expanding and changing its curriculmn. I have made several trips to a couple different schools, the gis always urked me, the forms I saw at one looked like a cross between hung gar and kempo, the person doing them though (as I have just found out) actually studied some hung gar, so that might be that influence. It just comes across as a mckwoon most of the time. GM The also does make some quite unbelievable claims.
lol @ me being quoted in a sig
Thought you might like that… I think I’ll keep that one for a while, it was one of the funnier things you’ve said on this board.
Hey, SD. Where do you study? I studied SD for a couple of years but I had to leave for personal reasons. No problem with the school or anything.
I have only seen what was posted on a website once. My honest opinion was that the forms looked pretty average. I can’t tell if the movements are the same as from the original styles, but the movement looked terrible. Now I know that it is dependent on who was doing the demos, but the guy doing the demos was supposed to be a very senior instructor.
As for the claimed history and Sin The’s claim of 900 forms - doesn’t engender too much confidence in me.
Never miss an opportunity to diss Shaolin-Do
Not SD personally, just the “art”.
Someone mentioned that it seemed like a McKwoon - that was my first impression. I may have communicated with SD on another forum about this, but I have to say that the “master” at the place I visited was a real a s s. Funny, he slightly resembled the master from the “bad” school in The Karate Kid.
For the curious, this place was called the Chinese Shao-lin Center of Northridge, CA. (Why the dash? Is there a Japanese or German Shaolin Center?)
The master barely looked up at me from his website, he had one of his subordinates load me up with about 30 documents to read, and for goodness sakes, GIs??? How can any self-respecting CMA school allow this to continue, much less allow it at all. And I’m sorry, that crap about “hiding his art from the Japanese by wearing GIs” is…crap!!! 
I could go on and on about the quality of the class I observed, or how much of an unfriendly jack a s s the other instructor seemed, but I think I’ve made my point. If Shaolin-Do wants to be respected as an authentic CMA they need to drop the GI’s, cut the Japanese karotty school attitude, quit putting coupons into the phone book (that’s how I found them), and be open and more friendly to prospective students…that’s how Sifu Totten won me over.