I don’t practice 'em a lot, but I’ve been known (when the opportunity arises) to jolt an opponent in the jaw with a sort of shrug. It’s never going to KO anyone, but it makes a little space in a close - and clumsy - clinch. What’s more, if they REALLY don’t know what they’re doing (a high probability of that, if you can actually get 'em like this) they might bite their tongue, too.:eek:
sorry to inform you, but boxing does not use the same amount of body as xing yi, this is OBVIOUS on the footwork patterns
you dont know xing yi, you dont know shoulder strikes, all you know is your little boxing and your thigh grabbing, so stick to those
a shoulder strike DOES work and DOES damage, if you didnt know that its cos… yeah you dont do xing yi
“I’d say that if you’re 4 inches away, you’d be better served to either step closer and clinch, or step further and use an elbow, which will be inherently more effective than a shoulder.”
Bullsh!t, the shoulder strike will create you MORE space, allowing you back to striking range - in wich you will begin using your other weapons whatever. Yes the elbows are great and they will do damage, but if you want to create tactical space (range change) the shoulders are way to go. This extra space you can even use to set up takedwons too.
Clinching would only be better if thats the case you are a thigh grabber, if thats your case ok.
BUT, its fine if you want to be a complete idiot and ignore this effective natural weapon, jesus wont judge you for that
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Originally posted by Xebsball
[B]sorry to inform you, but boxing does not use the same amount of body as xing yi, this is OBVIOUS on the footwork patterns
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I never tried to say anything about xing yi, since I’ve never studied it. All I said was that boxing uses the whole body to strike, which is quite true. Since you’ve never studied boxing, please do me the courtesy of shutting up about it, like I have about Xing Yi.
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a shoulder strike DOES work and DOES damage, if you didnt know that its cos… yeah you dont do xing yi
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I never suggested that they wouldn’t work or wouldn’t do damage. I suggested that they are inherently less effective than strikes with other portions of your body, due to certain physical realities, and the time spent using one would be better spent setting up a more effective strike.
I might also point out that Boxing and wrestling use shoulder strikes to create distance to punch and manipulate balance.
FatherDog,
Don’t worry about Xebs. Half the time he’s super cool. Half the time he’s being a *****. Or, he thinks he’s funny and I just don’t get it. 
LOL at “Let me tell you a little about using your whole body for power generation.”
Like they’ve got a monopoly on it or something…
i pi ssed in xebs cheerioes. sorry.
GDA you know nothing about pi ssing in cherios, you dont do XY!
What an asz.
I somehow missed these responses earlier
You generate power with your body, but some striking surfaces are inherently better than others. The shoulder is pretty well padded and has no single point of hardness to deliver force with, so your force is inevitably going to be dissipated significantly more than with a fist strike or an elbow strike, even if you can put the exact same amount of power behind it - and I think the range of motion inhibits putting the same amount of power behind it.
Agree and disagree. Does a fist or elbow deliver power concentrated on a smaller area? Absolutely. On the other hand, is there more force behind a punch or elbow than there is a shoulder? Nope. This is particularly true in a very close range.
The power generation isn’t a range of motion issue. It’s a number of joints and body structure issue.
I’d say that if you’re 4 inches away, you’d be better served to either step closer and clinch, or step further and use an elbow, which will be inherently more effective than a shoulder.
I’d say it depends on what you’re trying to accomplish as well as the situation.