There are many striking skill that exist in boxing, MT, TKD that doesn’t exist in TCMA.
If we compare the Chinese striking art to the Chinese throwing art, old Chinese saying said, “There are 360 major throws. The number of minor throws are as many as the number of hair on a cow’s body.” If the Chinese throwing art can cover all throws, there is no reason that the Chinese striking art can not cover all striks. After all, the number of punch and kick are much less than the number of the throws.
Even if ancient Chinese understood that no one will be able to master all throws in his life time. people still spent their effort to make the Chinese throwing art “complete”. It just seems to me that the ancient Chinese didn’t do a good job for the “completeness” of the Chinese striking art. Instead of creating a comple TCMA striking system, our ancestors just created too many styles.
If we don’t think about “my style does this and your style does that” instead of “how many ways that we can use our punches and kicks”, the Chinese striking art may be able to complete oneday.
When you train your throwing skill, you don’t care whether a throw comes from SC, Judo, or wrestling. Why do you always have “style” in mind when you train your striking art?
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1135316]There are many striking skill that exist in boxing, MT, TKD that doesn’t exist in TCMA.
If we compare the Chinese striking art to the Chinese throwing art, old Chinese saying said, “There are 360 major throws. The number of minor throws are as many as the number of hair on a cow’s body.” If the Chinese throwing art can cover all throws, there is no reason that the Chinese striking art can not cover all striks. After all, the number of punch and kick are much less than the number of the throws.
Even if ancient Chinese understood that no one will be able to master all throws in his life time. people still spent their effort to make the Chinese throwing art “complete”. It just seems to me that the ancient Chinese didn’t do a good job for the “completeness” of the Chinese striking art. Instead of creating a comple TCMA striking system, our ancestors just created too many styles.
If we don’t think about “my style does this and your style does that” instead of “how many ways that we can use our punches and kicks”, the Chinese striking art may be able to complete oneday.
When you train your throwing skill, you don’t care whether a throw comes from SC, Judo, or wrestling. Why do you always have “style” in mind when you train your striking art?
What’s your opinion on this?[/QUOTE]
I think styles are bull$hit. If I want to learn a specific way to punch or kick someone, I go and learn it. If I want to learn a new form 'cuz it looks cool regardless of “style”, I go out and learn it. There is no style, there are no secrets. it’s all just concepts. Now I don’t know SC, but Judo is just basically three core throws and a sacrifice… everything else is just a variation of one of those.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1135331]I think styles are bull$hit.[/QUOTE]
Agree with you 100% there. Some XingYi guys may be proud to tell you that his XingYi Beng Chuan is superior than the boxing jab. To me, whether your opponent can be knocked down by your punch or not, that’s the only thing that matters.
americans have no qualms about borrowing from other cultures. muay thai and ju jitsu are both ASIAN martial arts. if kung fu was really superior in fighting, everyone would be training it.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1135343]Agree with you 100% there. Some XingYi guys may be proud to tell you that his XingYi Beng Chuan is superior than the boxing jab. To me, whether your opponent can be knocked down by your punch or not, that’s the only thing that matters.[/QUOTE]
How about whether or not you can actually land the jab?
[QUOTE=RWilson;1135358]With Wrestlkng it is safer to train full contact.
Striking sparring leads to many injuries.[/QUOTE]
Just like the floor mat can make the wrestling safer, the head gear, chest protection, shin pad, and gloves can make the sparring safer. I had used the Kendo gear for sparring before. When my opponent punched or kicked on my chest, I couldn’t even feel anything. That will be too much protection IMO.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1135316]There are many striking skill that exist in boxing, MT, TKD that doesn’t exist in TCMA.
If we compare the Chinese striking art to the Chinese throwing art, old Chinese saying said, “There are 360 major throws. The number of minor throws are as many as the number of hair on a cow’s body.” If the Chinese throwing art can cover all throws, there is no reason that the Chinese striking art can not cover all striks. After all, the number of punch and kick are much less than the number of the throws.
Even if ancient Chinese understood that no one will be able to master all throws in his life time. people still spent their effort to make the Chinese throwing art “complete”. It just seems to me that the ancient Chinese didn’t do a good job for the “completeness” of the Chinese striking art. Instead of creating a comple TCMA striking system, our ancestors just created too many styles.
If we don’t think about “my style does this and your style does that” instead of “how many ways that we can use our punches and kicks”, the Chinese striking art may be able to complete oneday.
When you train your throwing skill, you don’t care whether a throw comes from SC, Judo, or wrestling. Why do you always have “style” in mind when you train your striking art?
What’s your opinion on this?[/QUOTE]
last I checked Bak Mei doesn’t throw swinging punches but they love swinging swords…if you take a fixed stance like they do in MMA and keep your hands up while walking into two dudes with sticks and knives you will get ****ed up I think ancient Chinese realized you better keep it moving and get good at changing posture a lot which is why they have so many foot works and animal stances… MMA is horrible to teach to women for self defense, if she thinks she is going to square up with an NFL lineman she’s screwed or how about Rampage Jackson getting dummied by a newbie bones Jones…how is rampage going to defend himself when he is 60 and a young bones Jones Jr decides to **** him up lol what’s he gonna do take a boxing posture or pull out a stick and run around like crazy trying to poke at soft spots?.
Gung Fu is real **** it’s body mechanics passed down from dead warriors…UFC is just a form of hard sparring **** I’ve seen better fights between teenage girls on a native reserve with no ref’s, one beer bottle and a chain with a lock on it.
But I think the Chinese striking art is as complete as any.
In China I have never encountered the ‘Thats not in my style’ attitude. Every technique has a name. And more often than not that name is the same accross the board from north to south. If a style doesn’t have a form that contains a specific technique it will still be happy to practice this technique seperately with its name.
Amongst the old masters I have encountered there is no division between the chinese martial arts in terms of allowed technique. All technique is interchangeable. More often than not the guiding principles of the styles are the same. The theories are the same. Taiji and Shaolin may look different to many people but when isolating the individual techniques you will find they often have the same names and the same use and are done the same way, albeit with slightly different performance flair.
I think there are more strikes than there are throws. Chinese Martial Arts is so diverse that I think anyone would be hard pressed to mention a technique from a non chinese style that does not appear somewhere in a TCMA.
[QUOTE=diego;1135365]last I checked Bak Mei doesn’t throw swinging punches but they love swinging swords…if you take a fixed stance like they do in MMA and keep your hands up while walking into two dudes with sticks and knives you will get ****ed up I think ancient Chinese realized you better keep it moving and get good at changing posture a lot which is why they have so many foot works and animal stances… MMA is horrible to teach to women for self defense, if she thinks she is going to square up with an NFL lineman she’s screwed or how about Rampage Jackson getting dummied by a newbie bones Jones…how is rampage going to defend himself when he is 60 and a young bones Jones Jr decides to **** him up lol what’s he gonna do take a boxing posture or pull out a stick and run around like crazy trying to poke at soft spots?.
Gung Fu is real **** it’s body mechanics passed down from dead warriors…UFC is just a form of hard sparring **** I’ve seen better fights between teenage girls on a native reserve with no ref’s, one beer bottle and a chain with a lock on it.[/QUOTE]
Lol tell you what go face rampage in a no holds fight and see how you do against him.
Your post is a classic example of why TCMA (some of it) is seen in such a poor light by fighters and sports guys: you talk about how bad the UFC is, how bad it is for self defence for a woman or a 60 year old, but you cant post a clip of a young athletic guy using what you are talking about and winning in a safe environment, Yet somehow you think what you do WILL work for someone not as athletic who is older slower and much smaller when there are NO rules
MMA teaches woman how to hit, take getting hit how to deal with an opponent trying to throw them on the ground and how to get up when an opponent is on top of them intent on hurting them….sounds like good self defence to me….. is it all they need no but if they can deal with the above adding some throat shots dangerous tactics etc is easy….if all you have are those and not a good tested delivery system…good luck
On the flip side if you are so sure you can handle a linesman or rampage post clips of yourself training against these guys sparring hard, or heck fighting hard under real pressure so we can see your stances and tactics in action and se how superior it is and how much better it is than this UFC rubbish
And to those who say they don’t need to posts clips that’s fine, but if you cant post clips or find any videos to back up your statements doesn’t that tell you something about the validity of your argument?
But hey you can always just ignore this post and continue to think of yourself as a superman a UFC fighter killing machine
Why does the deadly “street” always get brought up. How many of you honestly get into all these fights on the deadly “street” you always talk about.:rolleyes:
Here’s the thing, if a woman wants REAL self defense than get a concealed weapons permit, buy a handgun, and start going to the firing range on a weekly basis. You can argue styles all you want but in the end a 120lb woman who has some training is still not going to be much fight for a 200lb man. Training striking, clinching, and ground will certainly help but it also depends on the level of training she gets and what she puts into it. Most womens self-defense classes are a joke and probably do more harm than good due to providing a false sense of security.
If you live in a country where guns are illegal, there are other methods. But in the end, a deadly weapon is the only thing that nullifies size, strength, and intent.
[QUOTE=diego;1135365]MMA is horrible to teach to women for self defense, if she thinks she is going to square up with an NFL lineman she’s screwed .[/QUOTE]
LOL. The guard is Rape Position 101.
Fighting from their back is much more realistic for women than learning tornado kicks.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1135390]LOL. The guard is Rape Position 101.
Fighting from their back is much more realistic for women than learning tornado kicks.[/QUOTE]
I would tend to dis agree with this because Iron eagle is correct:
[QUOTE=Iron_Eagle_76;1135382] You can argue styles all you want but in the end a 120lb woman who has some training is still not going to be much fight for a 200lb man. Training striking, clinching, and ground will certainly help but it also depends on the level of training she gets and what she puts into it. Most womens self-defense classes are a joke and probably do more harm than good due to providing a false sense of security.[/QUOTE]
Women do not have the upper body strength to do anything against a man (on average).
Also Iron Eagle, I dis agree with your getting a gun statement. I work with police and swat team members and all agree:
It takes too much time for a person to “Draw” their weapon from their place they put it (purse, pocket, holster etc). In a violent situation such as a rape or mugging, the attacker suddenly comes into grappling range (jumps out of the bushes or behind a car etc) too quickly for a person to “Draw”.
Every gun drawing study shows: If a person starts charging within 10’, you will not Draw your weapon in time before he is on top of you. Beyond 10’ you can successfully Draw. But how many rapists start running at you from beyond 10’?
