Running will make your feet to float. It’s much easier to take down a runner than to take down a non-runner. It will reduce your ability to resist any throw.
In the ancient time, the “low stand wide step fast walking - upper leg to be parallel to the ground” was used to replace the running training.
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3669/lowwalk.jpg
Today, people may have ignored this issue.
What’s your thought?
Running long distances doesn’t do much for martial arts except teach you to work through pain. Most “sport” guys do interval training to supplement their cardio. Nothing, and I mean nothing, is a better workout than grappling, anyway. The only way to get in grappling shape is to do it a lot.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1203393]Nothing, and I mean nothing, is a better workout than grappling, anyway. The only way to get in grappling shape is to do it a lot.[/QUOTE]
It will be fun to be able to spar/wrestle 15 rounds daily. Sometime partners are just hard to find. 
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1203394]It will be fun to be able to spar/wrestle 15 rounds daily. Sometime partners are just hard to find. :([/QUOTE]
15 rounds is nuts. We do five 5-minute rounds with 1 min breaks, and even then people throw up sometimes.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1203392]Running will make your feet to float. It’s much easier to take down a runner than to take down a non-runner. It will reduce your ability to resist any throw.
In the ancient time, the “low stand wide step fast walking - upper leg to be parallel to the ground” was used to replace the running training.
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3669/lowwalk.jpg
Today, people may have ignored this issue.
What’s your thought?[/QUOTE]
Running is good and I do not mean marathon running!
It help cardiovascular conditioning and the long slow distance (25-30) minites periodic 2-4x/week should complement the other parts of conditioning i.e. workout, flexibility, stretching, etc.
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;1203399]15 rounds is nuts. [/QUOTE]
You use force in your first 10 rounds. In your last 5 rounds you truly understand how to use Sung, yield, sticky, borrow force, …
This is why a wrestler doesn’t talk about brute force, borrow force. When you are truly tired, you have no brute force to use but try to borrow your opponent’s force.
Here we can see a 400 lb Sumo wrestler ran Marathon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm07iPOl4ko
This one is funny.
yes they should, and they continue to do so and will do as long as its useful for them and gets results, running helps work the energy systems needed for wrestling in an indirect manner and can also help recovery, it all depends on duration and intensity as to what the effect with be
in northern kung fu jogging and sprinting were important training for battlefield fighting. jogging was important for fast moving army, sprinting is important for developing a good charge. northern martial arts emphasize the charge, the first strike, and speed.
southern kung fu emphasizes running less because they were mainly navy and heavy infantry. southern heavy infantry walks slowly towards the enemy, and emphasizes prolonged melee combat.
I never found ANY carry over in grappling from all my running. It is just a completely different type of exercise. More full body.
It gets easier once you learn to relax and flow, but once you get those guys that use all muscle you are gassed again just from trying to get over powered
I think sprints are more applicable to wrestling than LD running. There are better ways to get aerobic exercise. I doubt LD running would hurt you that much if you also practice other things to keep your base strong.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1203392]Running will make your feet to float. It’s much easier to take down a runner than to take down a non-runner. It will reduce your ability to resist any throw.
In the ancient time, the “low stand wide step fast walking - upper leg to be parallel to the ground” was used to replace the running training.
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/3669/lowwalk.jpg
Today, people may have ignored this issue.
What’s your thought?[/QUOTE]
We have a limited time and energy to practice MA. Anything that fails to keep the fighting structure is a waste of time and can be replaced by something more beneficial.
Usually I practice my lines until I can’t step fast enough and fajin properly. If have more energy I do more lines why would I want to waste my energy on running?
[QUOTE=xinyidizi;1203449]We have a limited time and energy to practice MA. Anything that fails to keep the fighting structure is a waste of time and can be replaced by something more beneficial.
Usually I practice my lines until I can’t step fast enough and fajin properly. If have more energy I do more lines why would I want to waste my energy on running?[/QUOTE]
I guess that depends, are you only a grappler, or are you a grappler and a striker? Running is very beneficial to the striking arts.
[QUOTE=Kellen Bassette;1203451]I guess that depends, are you only a grappler, or are you a grappler and a striker? Running is very beneficial to the striking arts.[/QUOTE]
Both. My main style is Xinyi which is all about very fast steps that even may look like running but unlike normal running they never lose the proper structure and root.
[QUOTE=xinyidizi;1203452]Both. My main style is Xinyi which is all about very fast steps that even may look like running but unlike normal running they never lose the proper structure and root.[/QUOTE]
The main benefits of running are endurance through training cardio and building leg strength. I suppose it could help a little with agility..but there are much better drills for that.
I would think the important thing is that you are getting a good cardio workout and building a strong foundation, (legs)…running is a popular way to go about it, but there are hundreds of other exercises that are means to the same ends.
EVERYBODY should have running in their training plans.
Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhh I don’t like being vaguely uncomfortable for 2 hours a week so I’ll make up excuses as to why my body doesn’t need it.
Road work is uncomfortable mainly because it is boring as hell but just because you don’t like doing something doesn’t change the science behind why you need it. Don’t be a bitch.
Good explanation using primary sources of the different energy systems of the human body. http://www.brianmac.co.uk/energy.htm
It is amazing to me that people still cling to this inflexible either/or zero sum game bullshit. Steady state cardio is supplemental, all the arguments against imply that they are counter to some imaginary view that it is supposed to be the exclusive method of training.
If you’re already reasonably conditioned it’s really not that hard to supplement with 1 1/2 hour/week with low intensity steady state cardio. Don’t be a bitch. You’ll recover faster between periods of explosiveness and be able to utilize that explosiveness more often and for longer.
Most of the time, the modern guys will say that the traditional guys are not willing to try the modern method. In my experience, sometime the modern guys are also not will to try the traditional method either.
Why can’t we replace running by “low stance walking”? The “low stance walking” exist in many TCMA systems such as the longfist, SC, Bagua, … all are very similar.
In the following clip, you can see it at 0.35 - 0.39 and 0.50 - 0.54.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2jlWopiO3o
and 0.28 - 0.30.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ4d7hnvDpY
You don’t have to walk left, right, left right, … You also don’t have to walk in straight line either. You can change you foot patern and zikzak like the following:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGxptvJlubY
and 1.06 - 1.14.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1bQ6kvMMAY
I’m all for modern methods such as great cardio, weight training, sparring/wrestling, partner drills, … There is no argument there. Why can’t we turn our boring running into:
instead of just cardio? Why can’t we try to kill many birds with 1 stone (since our training time is limited)? We may step away from the original “floating legs - rooting” issue but all MA training issues are interest for discussion.
You can’t replicate the benefits of running like that.
Most of the folks who hate running hate it because they are too fat, or they’re so out of shape that they can’t run a single mile.
IMO, the low stance walking is much harder than running. It’s not easy to be able to keep your upper legs to be parallel to the ground for 3 miles.