Hello,
I have this problem with Shaving throw…Every time I actually do it, my traning partner manages to grab a hold of my neck with his arm. By doing so, instead of going down nice and hard :), he lands quite softly on his side, sometimes even dragging me to the ground with him.
Am I doing something wrong? Maybe wrong entry/wrong posture? Is there a way to prevent the neck grab?
Thanks.
Please could you describe the “shaving throw”
Please could you describe the "shaving throw
Lift opponent, raise your knee and use your leg to “shave” their legs out from under them.
If you fail your saving throw does that mean the red mage lands his spell of infinite suktitude?
[QUOTE=LittleGhost;727082]Hello,
I have this problem with Shaving throw…Every time I actually do it, my traning partner manages to grab a hold of my neck with his arm. By doing so, instead of going down nice and hard :), he lands quite softly on his side, sometimes even dragging me to the ground with him.
Am I doing something wrong? Maybe wrong entry/wrong posture? Is there a way to prevent the neck grab?
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
It’s much easier for the person being thrown to hold on and take you to the ground than it will be for you to throw him without going down with him. The fact is when you throw someone for real, you will more than likely go down to the ground with him… although the people who “have throws in their system”, but don’t actually train them will tell you otherwise (just like they will tell you you can choose whether or not to make your opponent land on his head).
That being said, if you get a really good setup, you can occasionally land a throw without going to the ground with your opponent. If that is your goal, working your setups can help you there. Just don’t expect it to happen very often, especially if your opponent has half a clue and wants to take you down with him.
If you fail your saving throw does that mean the red mage lands his spell of infinite suktitude?
I think it may depend on his THAC0. (as i adjust my nerd glasses)
[QUOTE=BruceSteveRoy;727103]If you fail your saving throw does that mean the red mage lands his spell of infinite suktitude?
I think it may depend on his THAC0. (as i adjust my nerd glasses)[/QUOTE]
But in 3rd edition, they don’t use THAC0 anymore. 
wow i actually deleted that comment bc i thought it was way too obscure for anyone on this board. sorry havent gamed since i was like 12. not up on the d20 edition. ****. haha.
you can’t say d0rk?
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;727101]The fact is when you throw someone for real, you will more than likely go down to the ground with him… [/QUOTE]
Yeah… this happens a lot 
Mostly with the shaving throw and double-legs for me.
Though one of my san shou teammates is about a foot shorter than I am (I’m 6’3, he’s 5’4) and 70 lbs. lighter, so if I try to throw him, he sometimes wraps his arms and legs around me and tries some BJJ… only I’m still standing. With him clinging to me like a mountaineer
I then proceed to run him into the nearest wall. 
[QUOTE=laugarkuen;727086]Please could you describe the “shaving throw”[/QUOTE]
You enter under his left armpit, facing the same direction. You then hug his waist with your right arm, lift him up a bit, push his chest to your right with your left arm, and “shave” both his legs from under him with your right leg to the left(in a manner similar to inside crescent kick).
[QUOTE=Ravenshaw;727111]Yeah… this happens a lot Mostly with the shaving throw and double-legs for me.
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I see…
KnifeFighter: What are some of the good setups for shaving throw?
Shaving is basically Ko Soto Gake. You’re problem is probably in the set up. You should not be going down with the other guy if your set up is correct. Here’s a vid, are you unbalancing him correctly?
Here is a clip for SC shaving throw http://johnswang.com/SCd4.wmv The one H2ODragon shown was called “outer leg hooking” in SC. Both are similiar except one is used for defense (against a head lock) and the other is used for offense.
In SC, if your opponent pulls you down with him then you can drop your body on top of him and hurt him badly. The real fight starts after that and it’s no longer be friendly sport any more. It all depends on how far do you want to play your game.
The best way to prevent someone from pulling you down is to throw him “half way”. Make sure your hand is on his neck, chin, or forehead (the set up that Knifefighter was talking about) and smash the back of his head to the ground along with your throwing. For every throw that you do, you should expect that your opponent will pull you down to the ground. You should train different kind body dropping and following on striking depends on the throw that you are using. This is the big difference between sport and combat. In sport, the fight stop after the throwing. In combat, the fight may just started after the throw (if that throw didnot finish him).
Here is one example of a knee dropping on the kidney.
Unless he’s got his arm sort of wrapped in a full circle around your neck, you could probably spin out of his grip.
YouKnowWho, I thought you’d get a kick outta this. We’ve been using the Shi Sheng Tai Po as a cool down in Judo lately. Sensei is 60, and really likes the set.
Littleghost,
That was one of my favorite counter throws in jujutsu. Though I always used it as a means of taking the opponent to the ground to pin or choke him out. I didn’t see any point in just tossing him on the ground. Once contact is lost, control is lost. Though I was always focused on self-defense rather than tourneys. So in a tournament context your question is of course a valid one.
LOL!! Years ago, I was arguing with the board about the validity of this very technique following a throw. The consensus was that I’m nutts, I’ve never been in a real fight, and it could never be used!
[QUOTE=Water Dragon;727457]YouKnowWho, I thought you’d get a kick outta this. We’ve been using the Shi Sheng Tai Po as a cool down in Judo lately. Sensei is 60, and really likes the set.[/QUOTE]
Glad to see somebody like it. It’s very old antique and good stuff. I didn’t know H2ODragon’s Chinese is that good.
[QUOTE=Royal Dragon;727474]LOL!! Years ago, I was arguing with the board about the validity of this very technique following a throw. The consensus was that I’m nutts, I’ve never been in a real fight, and it could never be used!
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8779/kneedown1wi7.th.jpg[/QUOTE]
You throw your opponent and your opponent pulls you down so you just drop your knee on him. It’s a very nature follwing on striking move. I have used it many times. I don’t think you are nutts but I do think we have a lots of people on this board just like to argue for the sake of argument. If it’s not MMA then it won’t work in their opinion. They don’t believe it’s possible to throw someone while remain balance and then drop down your knee on top of your opponent. One of my guy Pat went to wrestle with the local Judo club. He gave his opponent a head lock and then throw his opponent. His opponent pulls him down. Pat then changed the arm wrapping into an arm bar. The Judo guy said, “I thought you don’t know any ground fight”. Pat said, “Sorry! I forgot”. It was so funny.
For the SC clip, IMHO they’re putting much too much emphasis on sweeping the leg, and too little emphasis on the lifting.
If you lift them right, a quick unbalance, then it’s not so much a leg sweep as just move the leg about 2 inches so when they land they fall.