[QUOTE=lunghushan;727488]For the SC clip, IMHO they’re putting much too much emphasis on sweeping the leg, and too little emphasis on the lifting.
If you lift them right, a quick unbalance, then it’s not so much a leg sweep as just move the leg about 2 inches so when they land they fall.[/QUOTE]
This move is used to counter a head lock. Your opponent spin very fast and try to lock your head. You then spin with him and then sweep his legs off the ground. If your opponent is not very heavy then you can lift him up and throw him over your head or drop him right in front of you. This way you don’t even need to sweep his legs. If your opponet is heavy then pick him up may not be to your advantage and sweep his legs may be easier. If your opponent is extream heavy then sweep his legs may not be easy, you may just want to spin his body and push him down to the ground.
So we are talking about 3 different moves here. You use
spinning to against a super heavy guy.
Shaving to against a not too heavy guy.
Embracing to against an average or light weight guy.
Since head lock was such a popular move in SC , many counters had been created by the ancient SC masters.
[QUOTE=Royal Dragon;727474]LOL!! Years ago, I was arguing with the board about the validity of this very technique following a throw. The consensus was that I’m nutts, I’ve never been in a real fight, and it could never be used!
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;727492]This move is used to counter a head lock. Your opponent spin very fast and try to lock your head. You then spin with him and then sweep his legs off the ground. If your opponent is not very heavy then you can lift him up and throw him over your head or drop him right in front of you. This way you don’t even need to sweep his legs. If your opponet is heavy then pick him up may not be to your advantage and sweep his legs may be easier.[/QUOTE]
Interesting how when the guys are being taken down for real, they figure out not to land with the elbow like you showed them.
I may experience my upper knee to hit on my lower knee a couple of times and later on figured out to bend both legs in different curve to avoid it. Never experienced my elbow hitting on the ground though.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;727494]Interesting how when the guys are being taken down for real, they figure out not to land with the elbow like you showed them.[/QUOTE]
Interesting how we don’t really slap when we’re being thrown for real in Judo. Also pretty interesting that when you get past the basics, the way I was shown to fall in Judo and the way I was shown to fall in SC is essentially the same.
[QUOTE=Water Dragon;727502]Naw, it’s different than knee on belly. It’s not something you really see in BJJ.[/QUOTE]
Maybe because when BJJ guys land, they don’t roll on their sides and cover their heads.
Maybe because in Judo (where BJJ comes from) the idea is to throw the guy on their back for Ippon. Perhaps if Judo focused on throws that actually put people on their sides, the break falling would have evolved slightly differently.
You’re trying to put an orange in the apple bowl and then complain that it ain’t red, Bro.
Interesting how we don’t really slap when we’re being thrown for real in Judo. Also pretty interesting that when you get past the basics, the way I was shown to fall in Judo and the way I was shown to fall in SC is essentially the same.
Slapping is done in practice when you are not working to counter your opponent’s throw.
LOL @ judo being taught the same as SC. Not if you guys are being taught to put your hands over your heads when you land.
[QUOTE=Water Dragon;727508]Maybe because in Judo (where BJJ comes from) the idea is to throw the guy on their back for Ippon. Perhaps if Judo focused on throws that actually put people on their sides, the break falling would have evolved slightly differently.
You’re trying to put an orange in the apple bowl and then complain that it ain’t red, Bro.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I see. Now the kung fu guys are claiming that the goal of SC throws is to put people on their sides. Just a little while ago it was on their heads.
[I]Oh, I see. Now the kung fu guys are claiming that the goal of SC throws is to put people on their sides. Just a little while ago it was on their heads.
Too funny, Bro[/I]
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There are many throws in Shuai Qiao, each has thier own goal.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;727521]Slapping is done in practice when you are not working to counter your opponent’s throw.
LOL @ judo being taught the same as SC. Not if you guys are being taught to put your hands over your heads when you land.
Oh, I see. Now the kung fu guys are claiming that the goal of SC throws is to put people on their sides. Just a little while ago it was on their heads.
Too funny, Bro.[/QUOTE]
Uhhh, when did I become a Kung Fu guy? When I argued a point with you?
Thing is Dale, you have a lot more experience in BJJ than me, but I have some. I also have experience in both Shuai Chiao and Judo. I’m calling it like I see it. Sorry if that doesn’t agree with you.
[QUOTE=Royal Dragon;727474]LOL!! Years ago, I was arguing with the board about the validity of this very technique following a throw. The consensus was that I’m nutts, I’ve never been in a real fight, and it could never be used!
[QUOTE=Water Dragon;727508]Maybe because in Judo (where BJJ comes from) the idea is to throw the guy on their back for Ippon. Perhaps if Judo focused on throws that actually put people on their sides, the break falling would have evolved slightly differently.[/QUOTE]
tactically, why would you want to? this may be a chance to illustrate differences between grappling styles again a la our ever popular ultimate grappling thread
if I remember right,you were saying that in the event that the throw didnt finish them you would drop your knee on their head and knock them out.
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I think my point was to use the knee on any soft target that was convinently avaliable (Neck, ribs, solor plexus etc…), but yes, you pretty much got it.
[QUOTE=SevenStar;727549]tactically, why would you want to? this may be a chance to illustrate differences between grappling styles again a la our ever popular ultimate grappling thread[/QUOTE]
The first thing here that pops into my head would be to cut down on the odds of a counter attack. outer bowing/outside seio nage is a great example. The throw lands you directly on your side, but there’s not as much chance of getting punched due to the position you take on the outside gate. I actually found out that outer seio nage actually DOES exist in Judo, it’s just not really used because the most you’ll get out of it is a waza-ari.
Cracking lands you on the side too, but that’s also an attack against a joint which is illegal in Judo. I’ve pulled off both in Randori and the comment I got was the same. “Cool throw, where’d you learn that?”
[QUOTE=Royal Dragon;727559]if I remember right,you were saying that in the event that the throw didnt finish them you would drop your knee on their head and knock them out.
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I think my point was to use the knee on any soft target that was convinently avaliable (Neck, ribs, solor plexus etc…), but yes, you pretty much got it.[/QUOTE]
our point was that it is not a finisher. it, like knee on belly is a control position.
[QUOTE=Water Dragon;727508]Maybe because in Judo (where BJJ comes from) the idea is to throw the guy on their back for Ippon. Perhaps if Judo focused on throws that actually put people on their sides, the break falling would have evolved slightly differently.
You’re trying to put an orange in the apple bowl and then complain that it ain’t red, Bro.[/QUOTE]
… Blood oranges are red on the inside… Sorry, just had to argue…
