Hellow all
Iwant to ask you all a couple questions. I’m going away from the computer for a couple weeks so I wont get to read it for a little while. 1 How many forms do you know? 2 how long have you been practicing? 3How often do you train and how important do you think horse stance basics are? 4 How many forms do you practice regularly? 5 Do you practice qigong then go right into forms? 6 Do you practice any qigong after you practice? I cant wait to get back to town to see what you all said!! :):)(:(: ;(
1.Four.
2.Time in doesn’t say anything as to skill because people bring with them different leves of understanding.
3.I think about being better throughout a day. Haven’t done a full~ form for months to a year (minding my health~); horse-riding basics supremely important.
4.I practiced the last empty hand form more than the one form on which I still have to test
5.after every form I do what might be considered qigong; but qigong first?, can be in the salute (to me).
6.I do what might be considered qigong after Every form.
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49
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14 years
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I try to get in at least an hour and a half every day, with a couple of days with a 3 or 4 hour session, but I have a family and a full time job, so it doesn’t always happen.
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I focus on the most recent 5 to 10 forms I am learning, and I always mix in some tai chi, Pa Kua, and Hsing I. I usually have one day in the week where I perform every form I have learned.
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and 6. All forms involve some qigong, but I focus on some internal forms at the beginning and end of m workout, and an internal form in the middle for a change of pace.
I forgot to mention stances:
In my school, there are three heights that we perform stances: But an the hip, but at the knee, and but at the ankle. All of our forms’ stances are to be at one of these levels. In warm-ups horse and bow stances are a staple of our exercises. Prior to rank advancement, we must pass a physical test in addition to our material which includes minimum times to hold horse stances with the butt at the knee. We usually place a short stick on our thighs to insure that are legs are parallel with the ground or a shoe under our butts to determine if we are at the right height. If the show falls you are two high; if the shoe bends, you are too low. Feet are four hands apart and pointing straight ahead. That’s my school’s approach to basic stance training.
I usually have one day in the week where I perform every form I have learned.
If you perform 49 forms in one day, either your Shaolin-Do forms are:
- Very short
- Require no power, or
- both
Originally posted by MasterKiller
[B]
If you perform 49 forms in one day, either your Shaolin-Do forms are:
- Very short
- Require no power, or
- both [/B]
Ouch
I was hoping to avoid Shaolin-do bashing. I’m certainly not going to disrespect anyone else’s styles. I train hard as I’m sure that you do. Do I perform 49 forms in one day. Yes. Do I get tired. Absolutley. Do I perform them well when I get tired? Not as well as if I only focused on one form.
Some forms are short. One to two minutes for basic beginger level forms. Some take longer. When I go through all of my forms it does take a while. I break them up with breaks and intermix my internal forms to recharge a bit.
You have your own opinions as to my forms as I do. They do require power to perform. Some are short and some are long. The point of doing them is to get tired and have a great work out. It also forces me to practice when I’m tired in the hopes that I’ll have a little extra when I need it. I would love to train with you if you are in the Knoxville area.
Sorry for being snippy, there.
Do the 49 forms include weapons, or just open-hand forms?
If it’s just hand forms, how many weapons do you train with? I know SD is big on a lot of hand forms, but when do you incorporate weapons into the mix?
At blue sash we incorporate a basic staff form. Green Sash includes a short stick form. Brown sash includes a broadsword, two staff forms, and a Kwan-dao form. 1st black includes 4 spear forms and second black includes 3 straight sword forms. I’m studying for my third black sash right now, so I have only learned 32 posture tai chi sword. The upper ranks include 3 sectional staff, chain whip, double broad sword, and hook swords.
Some forms are short. One to two minutes for basic beginger level forms.
One to two minutes for a beginner form… do you know how long 2 minutes for an external form is if you are doing 49 of them…
Oh, and congradulations… you know a bit over 5% of you grandmaster now…
judge pen, I pm’d you.
Originally posted by norther practitioner
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One to two minutes for a beginner form… do you know how long 2 minutes for an external form is if you are doing 49 of them…
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Of course I know how long two minutes is for an external form. Read my response to MK and you’ll see that I’m not claiming it is easy. What’s your training routine like?
BTW if you want to dismiss anything I post simply bc I study SD, then more power to you. I joined this forum with the understanding that SD was an unpopular subject and that I would draw criticism. But I’m intersted in sharing some information and learning about all aspects of CMA. I also extend an open invitation to train with anyone here if they are in the Knoxville area.
Hey all. Got to a computer here on vacation. I’m in Colorado and its snowing and cold outside! I guess its gonna be condenced practice for me. Love y’all
bodhitree, I PM’d you.
Hey all. Got to get to a computer here on vacation. I’m in Colorado and its snowing and cold outside! I guess its gonna be condenced practice for me. Love y’all
4" … not too bad for May…
Hope you have fun out here.
Give me an email if you are looking for anything to do, there is much to do in this big state.
Northern Practitioner
Hey I see your from her in Denver. My e-mail has been weird and slow on this hotel computer. I’m leaving denver tomarrow and going to Alamosa, Durango, Salida, CO springs. I don’t know if I’ll get to a computer again but I’ll be back in Denver on Saturday, drop me an e-mail desajeet@hotmail.com. Let me know if theres any good martial attractions or if you want to compare practice notes Peace, Enlightenment, and Freedom
Re: Shaolin training
Originally posted by bodhitree
Hellow all
Iwant to ask you all a couple questions. I’m going away from the computer for a couple weeks so I wont get to read it for a little while. 1 How many forms do you know? 2 how long have you been practicing? 3How often do you train and how important do you think horse stance basics are? 4 How many forms do you practice regularly? 5 Do you practice qigong then go right into forms? 6 Do you practice any qigong after you practice? I cant wait to get back to town to see what you all said!! :):)(:(: ;(
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Lost count. Probably forgotten as many as I remember. Let’s say about 30 for argument’s sake
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16 years
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Train about 3 times a week, 3 hours at a time. I believe stance training is fundamental.
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2
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Rarely
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Usually
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8 Forms
Chuji quantao(Basic stance or 5 stances form)
Yiluquan (first basic form)
Erluquan (second basic form)
Continous fist
Xiao hong quan (small red fist)
Ton bei quan (penetrating fist)
Shaolin quan (group form)
Shaolin Dao (Broadsword) -
Training for 5 years
3)Horse stance basics are very important but horse stance bow stance transition seems to be more important since that is how you generate power both in punching and in weapons.
4)I practice Broadsword, Shaolin quan, and xiao hong quan 4 times aweek. 2 hours a shot.
5)No qigong
6)No qiqong
Anthony
Judge Pen
This may seem somewhat off topic…but
I was wondering…I don’t know much about Shaolin-Do but I have heard that the forms have similar names to chinese forms, but the movements resemble Karate and other such.
You mentioned that senior level belt learn internal forms and/or tai chi. What is the style of tai chi you practice or is it a Shaolin-Do tai chi style?
Thanks!
practise well isn’t practise hard!
Kungfu needs to be trained like athletics, in that if you do long-distance running, then you need to be fit. So you practise your kungfu for long periods of time under a bit of pressure - stamina.
If you do not do competitions or demonstrations, then kungfu needs no fitness. So you perform kungfu until you feel tired, take a rest, then start again. Kungfu is not about being hard and doing lots of routines in one day.
It is about making our forms prefected: one form mastered better than 1000 attempted.
Tam Tui for example, if you start at 1 but get tired by 8, this does not mean you are unfit, this means you are starting too hard. If you start at 1 and feel nothing by 12, you may be doing it too effortlessly.
All kungfu training must be practised relative to what you want to achieve from it. If for fighting, only skill required. If for fitness, then stamina required.
To put down another person’s art only reflects your lack of understanding your own art.
Re: Judge Pen
Originally posted by iron_silk
[B]This may seem somewhat off topic…but
I was wondering…I don’t know much about Shaolin-Do but I have heard that the forms have similar names to chinese forms, but the movements resemble Karate and other such.
You mentioned that senior level belt learn internal forms and/or tai chi. What is the style of tai chi you practice or is it a Shaolin-Do tai chi style?
Thanks! [/B]
Yang tai chi. 24 Posture and 64 posture. There is also a Chen Tai chi form taught in SD, but I don’t know it.
The other internal forms that I know are 5 elements Hsing-I, Hsing-I 5 Elements Linkage, and One side of a Hsing-I two man set. I am currently learning 12 animal Hsing-I form.
Most of what you will read here about Shaolin-do is negative. I have developed a pretty thick skin about it, but I do understand their perceived criticisms.
The forms are Chinese forms. They evolved very differently, granted, and the ‘karate’ was either a result of Indonesian law or marketing in America (or maybe both). If you disagree then that’s fine with me but let’s disagree constructively. I’d bet that we will be surprised on what we can agree with.