I wish you well!
Rene - very interesting and astute comments.
Juan - Iâm not suggesting that your style is without merit or attraction, and Iâm sure some practitioners of the style are excellent martial artists, as you say. High, flashy kicks and flying kicks are impressive too, but not part of what would generally be considered as âorthodoxâ Wing Chun.
Anyway, I admire your faith in your style and wish you all the best in your training.
Cheers,
looks like they work hard to me.
claims or no claims, it looks good.
peace
Juan
Since you obviously train there, Iâm directing this question to you:
What makes whatever you do, Wing Chun?
Gluteus
Once again, what makes it âOrthodoxâ is that we follow the Shaolin way. Hence we do five animals form, chi kung, stretching and lots of conditioning.
Thank you for your support!
WH
What makes Wing Chun Wing Chun? Is it the movements or techniques used or is it the principles behind them?
Exactly Juan⌠so what makes what you do, Wing chun?
Both! 
Which techniques and which principles, make what you do, Wing Chun, Juan?
Originally posted by Juan Alvarez
[B]Gluteus
Once again, what makes it âOrthodoxâ is that we follow the Shaolin way. Hence we do five animals form, chi kung, stretching and lots of conditioning.
That doesnât make it orthodox Wing Chun, Juan. Your statement is a non sequitur.
Are you really Rene Ritchie??
WH
The techniques and principles that make Wing Chun Wing Chun. The path is different.
In other words, you donât knowâŚJuan
Perhaps you should figure it out before soliciting whatever you do as Wing Chun, or Shaolin for that matterâŚ
Rather tactless WH
Hello Whipping Hand,
Considering the lack of openess on your part I think that it is rather unfair to pass judgement on Juan or his method. Perhaps you would be willing to elaborate on what it is that makes what you do Wing Chun.
Letâs not forget that this board represents the opportunity for various lineages and approaches to come together and share their views. No one group has a monopoly on the truth or the ârightâ way. If you donât have anything to contribute then why bother opening your mouth in the first place?
Seems to me that the reply was keeping in line with the manner WH has used on many occassions.
Peace,
Dave
Shaolin has three (at least) usages, which maybe better to classify when thinking along the lines of âorthodoxâ. The first is, of course, Shaolin proper (the temple in Songshan). This has little, if anything, to do with media perceptions (even modern PRC tourist attractions), but of Chan Buddhism and Lohan boxing. This probably doesnât have much to do with 5 animal forms, or Qigong other than Shaolin proper Qigong (Yijinjing, etc.), nor stretching, conditioning, etc. (you can find those in TKD schools ;). The second is the Shaolin school, which is a broad term used to (miss)classify Chinese âexternalâ martial arts, many of which have little or nothing to do with Shaolin proper. The third, and most common, is a lay, pop culture Shaolin, of movies, TV shows, and martial artists who attach the name Shaolin because of its power. This is common in China, Tawain, South East Asia, and since the Bruce Lee craze, in North America as well.
To be a Shaolin monk (before Wushun performers and MA marketers) was a very specific thing. To be an othodox Shaolin something very specific. Though there is always the chance, its probably not something weâll see much of anymore, except on flyers, webpages, and teachers telling stories around the tea table.
Rgds,
RR
Sorry Dave,
actually itâs my fault. I knew what WH was after and out of anything smart to say, I just made him taste his own medecine! As for my knowledge, it is in fact very limited since Iâm just a newbee, Iâve been at that school for only two years. So what I would have answered is the same jiberich as any other newbee at any other school. They teach us center line, economy of movement, tan sao, fok sau, what have you⌠So nothing really new.
Same thing to Rene, Iâm not really the person to talk about this. What I said is what I understood of it. Maybe in the furture I will be a reference, since Iâll definately stick to the school.
And to everybody else, all I can say is that to really appreciate what is taught there, you have to visit the school. You will never have the real taste of a school trough pictures in the internetâŚ
Juan,
Are you a student of Sifu Sunny Tang?
Rolling_Hand
Sorry, no, Sifu Tang has no relations with this school. My school is very marginal, as Iâm finding outâŚ
Dave, youâre nearsighted, arenât you?
I donât recall disrespecting his lineage in anyway. He calls what he does Wing Chun. I asked him to explain what makes what he does Wing Chun, so that I good better understand his branch. He wasnât able to answer. Any criticism that you may have perceived could have been directed at Juan himself, not his branch of Wing Chun/Shaolin/Wushu/âTricks In a Shaolin Uniformâ or whatever it is.
Please read carefully, to save us all from the long-winded lectures. Looking up and forward, may help too.
Originally posted by Sihing73
Seems to me that the reply was keeping in line with the manner WH has used on many occassions.
You canât change a scorpionâs nature.
AhemâŚ
âI donât recall disrespecting his lineage in anyway.â
Your previous reply was deleted anywayâŚ
âAny criticism that you may have perceived could have been directed at Juan himself, not his branch of Wing Chun/Shaolin/Wushu/âTricks In a Shaolin Uniformâ or whatever it is.â
Yeah⌠Right⌠:rolleyes:
Wh you are sooo right
Hello Whipping Hand,
YOu are 100% correct I am nearsighted 
I wear glasses which helps me to see better at times, although I still sometimes miss things.
I gathered your criticism was directed at Juan as well as his school but still feel it was tactless. Of course, you may feel differently. I reiterate my earlier posting, why donât you expound on what makes what you do Wing Chun so that we may all get a better understanding of your approach?
As to changing a âscorpionsâ nature; I have met very few true scorpions though there are many who try to play the game as well as impress others with veiled one line sayings. I guess Caine made an influence after all :rolleyes:
Forgive me if I sound long winded I am just trying to fill the gap left by those of little or no wind or true substance
Peace,
Dave