Evidence that some of the material taught by Hiang is different from the way it is taught by Sin’s group was seen in a video tape made of Sin’s recent tournament in Lexington. One of Hiang’s senior students who learned material from both men begining in the 70’s saw several forms being performed on the tape and said that many were being done quite differently than the way he originally learned them and the way his group continues to practice them now.
Radhnoti, this is not a flame as Hiang’s student made no criticism of how well the forms were done in terms of power, stances, spirit, etc, JUST that the movements were different. He actually complimented many things he saw.
Well you are right,Shaolin-DO is NOT shaolin kung-fu. it is SHAOLIN-Do kung fu. its origins are from the shaolin temple in fujian. its grandmasters have handed down the teachings three generations. Grandmaster Sin The’ holds the lineage. He has as ,well as the school, modernized the shaolin ways. there are karate like elements to the system. it is not a school of silk pajamas or robes and shaved heads and incense in the hallway. it is a simple school that has continued to exist for years as has many other schools in this country. the school does not concern itself with ego posturing and trashing of other ways. the school uses belts and a karate ranking system(the modernized aspects).
the school has MANY students. if it were a “McDojo” you would see one in EVERY TOWN IN AMERICA. but you dont. despite the claims against the school and its grandmaster, people have come and gone just like with any other school in America. i have heard it all for years about this school and i hope that this objective yet supportive opinion finally shuts up the trolls and the students can continue to discuss subjects in this forum with out the scrutiny of others who DO NOT RESPECT. yes there will be negative replies to this,ive heard them all. save your typing skills. unless you have something positive and respectful to write.
many respects,the willow sword
[QUOTE=Johnny Hot Shot;27251]I have been reading alot about how Shaolin-do is not “really kung fu” or that it is not a valid martial art somehow? It appears to me that the largest school of this so called Shaolin do is USSD. A very large franchise of MA schools primarily on the east and west coast of the US. After hours of reaserch I have come to a conclusion about USSD and their so called Shaolin do style. It’s not shaolin Kung fu, its American Kempo. The founder Nick Cerio had studied under George Pesare. And later on in his martial arts career studied under Ed Parker (American Kempo). Now it is my belief that since the school has become a franchise and motivated more by the quest for the almighty green back it has tryed to capitalize on the popularity of the Shaolin name. So my conclusion is that USSD and their Shaolin do is nothing more than a money making scheme. If you are a student of USSD and can dicredit my allegations please try. Any other Martial artists Please add any comments or facts as I am sure mine have holes in them. Are USSD students proud of their school? Speak up. [/QUOTE]
Yes Charles Mattera is the con man of the martial arts IMHO.
The only kung fu you will learn at Mattera’s / Villari kempo is how to take your money form and give to some fat ussd master.
[QUOTE=The Willow Sword;27273]Well you are right,Shaolin-DO is NOT shaolin kung-fu. it is SHAOLIN-Do kung fu. its origins are from the shaolin temple in fujian. its grandmasters have handed down the teachings three generations. Grandmaster Sin The’ holds the lineage. He has as ,well as the school, modernized the shaolin ways. there are karate like elements to the system. it is not a school of silk pajamas or robes and shaved heads and incense in the hallway. it is a simple school that has continued to exist for years as has many other schools in this country. the school does not concern itself with ego posturing and trashing of other ways. the school uses belts and a karate ranking system(the modernized aspects).
the school has MANY students. if it were a “McDojo” you would see one in EVERY TOWN IN AMERICA. but you dont. despite the claims against the school and its grandmaster, people have come and gone just like with any other school in America. i have heard it all for years about this school and i hope that this objective yet supportive opinion finally shuts up the trolls and the students can continue to discuss subjects in this forum with out the scrutiny of others who DO NOT RESPECT. yes there will be negative replies to this,ive heard them all. save your typing skills. unless you have something positive and respectful to write.
many respects,the willow sword[/QUOTE]
Personally, I make it a point to not criticize schools, systems or instructors. If someone were attacking a school I liked on an internet forum, I would not get in a p _ _ _ _ _ g contest because, in case you haven’t noticed, no one ever wins in the war of words. Do a Shou Shu or Shaolin Do search if you don’t believe me. Now, if someone were to enter the kwoon with a physical challenge, that would be a different matter.
I will say this. If someone can find a good Bak Fu Pai or Choy Li Fut school, he need not look any further for a good system to study. I have heard very good things about the Bak Fu Pai instruction in San Diego.
When I see people like Bak Fu Pai’s Doo Wai criticized, I take it with a grain of salt. People should study what they want and not take the negative things they hear to heart. Martial arts are not “one size fits all”.
why arent there any records of Sin The’s art in Fukien? Of all the styles that came from Fukien Siu-Lum, how come nobody but you guys and your Vietnamese teachers have the only connection to the hairy guy? Nobody in ANY Fukien Siu-Lum art ever heard of him. Please explain this. Or simply admit that Sin The, is from Vietnam, and never learned Siu-Lum from anyone connected with Fukien Siu-Lum Ji. BTW- there aren’t any actual proven records that Fukien Siu-Lum Ji even existed.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;764210]why arent there any records of Sin The’s art in Fukien? Of all the styles that came from Fukien Siu-Lum, how come nobody but you guys and your Vietnamese teachers have the only connection to the hairy guy? Nobody in ANY Fukien Siu-Lum art ever heard of him. Please explain this. Or simply admit that Sin The, is from Vietnam, and never learned Siu-Lum from anyone connected with Fukien Siu-Lum Ji. BTW- there aren’t any actual proven records that Fukien Siu-Lum Ji even existed.[/QUOTE]
I DOUBLE that Bwahahaha. Sheesh that was back in the Naive days. Another Dead Horse Dug up and put on display. It embarrasses me to read what i wrote back when i was Standing up for the school. It embarrasses me to read some of the things i have written when i discovered the,in my opinion, Fabrication in the lineage and removed myself from the school.
I sent a Letter to Sin The’ with the Li Po sui pics and asked about them, i thought my letter was pretty diplomatic and respectful. But i never got a response back, dont know if the address i was given was correct, i was told it was so i am just going on that it was received Read and discarded. Whatever the case i did what i said i would do, asked my questions directly(in Letter anyways) and here as well. I have stayed away from the tournaments and SD gatherings around Austin(as i was TOLD to do by Joe Shaefer) I have retained and kept the videos i have of the training i did along with everyone else at the time and have not distributed them to anyone(although i have had several requests to sell them and to send them to others)
I have Maintained my integrity throughout ALL of this albeit that my anger sometimes tarnishes the integrity but it has remained in tact nonetheless. I have met the challenges i have put forth, and have not backed down from anything that has been put forth to me.
I feel good in everything and feel SOLID in everything that i have accomplished and i feel thankfull for my failures, they have been my greatest lessons in life. Much Gratitude and Thanks to ALL who have supported me and all who have Kicked my A$$. You Never compromise your values and your heart, no matter what, even if it leads to your demise you speak your truth and in doing so you do no wrong.
Peace To All, even the Sd’ers, Sincerely Jason Bratcher(The Willow Sword)
[QUOTE=The Willow Sword;764452]Posted By MasterKiller
bwahahahah
I DOUBLE that Bwahahaha. Sheesh that was back in the Naive days. Another Dead Horse Dug up and put on display. It embarrasses me to read what i wrote back when i was Standing up for the school. It embarrasses me to read some of the things i have written when i discovered the,in my opinion, Fabrication in the lineage and removed myself from the school.
I sent a Letter to Sin The’ with the Li Po sui pics and asked about them, i thought my letter was pretty diplomatic and respectful. But i never got a response back, dont know if the address i was given was correct, i was told it was so i am just going on that it was received Read and discarded. Whatever the case i did what i said i would do, asked my questions directly(in Letter anyways) and here as well. I have stayed away from the tournaments and SD gatherings around Austin(as i was TOLD to do by Joe Shaefer) I have retained and kept the videos i have of the training i did along with everyone else at the time and have not distributed them to anyone(although i have had several requests to sell them and to send them to others)
I have Maintained my integrity throughout ALL of this albeit that my anger sometimes tarnishes the integrity but it has remained in tact nonetheless. I have met the challenges i have put forth, and have not backed down from anything that has been put forth to me.
I feel good in everything and feel SOLID in everything that i have accomplished and i feel thankfull for my failures, they have been my greatest lessons in life. Much Gratitude and Thanks to ALL who have supported me and all who have Kicked my A$$. You Never compromise your values and your heart, no matter what, even if it leads to your demise you speak your truth and in doing so you do no wrong.
Peace To All, even the Sd’ers, Sincerely Jason Bratcher(The Willow Sword)[/QUOTE]
Jason,
We don’t always see eye to eye, but I respect what you said in this post. As for the letter, send it certified mail, return receipt next time.
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