Seminar Update: Hung Fa Yi in Texas

Wai Jia: The Kung Fu Forum Wing Chun
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We are pleased to announce that Grandmaster Gee will be doing a seminar in Houston, TX.

The topic will be and extension of the seminar that was in Brazil earlier this month. The topic will be on Hung Fa Yi Kui Sao using Tin Ya Dei understanding on anti grappling and ground fighting. Also what is the difference between wrestling and anti grapping? This will be Grandmaster Gees first time to Houston Texas.
We are all looking foward to this. Don’t miss it.

Dates, times and location:

Public Seminar
Saturday Oct 20th
10am-5pm

Disciples/Instructor Candidates only
Sunday Oct 20th
All day.

Location:

Hung Fa Kwoon of Houston
2217 Hwy 6 South
Houston, TX 77077

The school is located on the West side of Houston. If needed, there are many hotels in the area. If flying in there are 2 airports either one is fine. Please contact Sifu Brad Ryan for details on cost and lodging. If you are within the family don’t worry about lodging. A plce to stay will be arranged.

Sifu Ryan can be contacted directly at 281 757 9862 or e-mailed at sifubrad@houston-martialarts.com

www.hfy108.com

Thank you.

Thank you.

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“The topic will be on Hung Fa Yi Kui Sao using Tin Ya Dei understanding on anti grappling and ground fighting.” (BRTX)

***Now I know what kui sao is - but what does “Tin Ya Dei” translate into in English - and what exactly is it’s meaning (ie.- what does it entail)?

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[QUOTE=Ultimatewingchun;801848]***Now I know what kui sao is - but what does “Tin Ya Dei” translate into in English - and what exactly is it’s meaning (ie.- what does it entail)?[/QUOTE]There’s a typo in there - it should read “Tin Yan Dei” - Heaven, Man & Earth. I’ll leave the meaning to the HFYWCK folks.

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[QUOTE=BRTX;801791]. Also what is the difference between wrestling and anti grapping?
.[/QUOTE]

Simply put, one works and one doesnt. ‘Grappling’ already encompasses the best ways to defend against grappling e.g. pummel, sprawl, shelf, ****zer, cross face, peeling grips, stiff arm etc. Dont waste time learning anti grappling from someone who doesnt know how to grapple in the first place.

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[QUOTE=CFT;801871]There’s a typo in there - it should read “Tin Yan Dei” - Heaven, Man & Earth. I’ll leave the meaning to the HFYWCK folks.[/QUOTE]

You are correct. And I think the ‘n’ accidentaly was left off of Yan

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[QUOTE=BRTX;801791]Also what is the difference between wrestling and anti grapping? [/QUOTE]
There are another two typos: an ‘l’ was missed out of ‘grappling’; and a ‘g’ was accidentally put in in place of an ‘c’.

It should read: 'anti crappling.

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Nick/Mr Punch,
There is some discussion of the recent Brazil trip here-
http://www.hfy108.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15153&postcount=26
Funny enough the people from Brazil have a really good sense about what does and doesn’t work against grappling, especially since many of them are currently training as grapplers…

Matt

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MrPunch maybe you want to get together with Nick and work on that. Meanwhile this is a thread about an upcoming seminar and hopefully the remaining post can stick to that topic only.

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And if I want to ask about more than just getting the infomercial - that’s not acceptable on this thread?

Nonsense.

As reflected by the fact that you don’t get to delete or edit other people’s posts.

So what does Heaven, Man, Earth mean exactly - in anti grappling terms?

Anybody?

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Texas Seminar

Hello There

Its great to hear about the Seminar Sifu Ryan and I will be glad to be travelling over to join everyone for another lesson in the Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun lineage. I have been reading the reports on the Brazil trip and they have been very interesting.

http://www.hfy108.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15153&postcount=26

Cheerio, Gary

www.hungfayiireland.com

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[QUOTE=Ultimatewingchun;802020]And if I want to ask about more than just getting the infomercial - that’s not acceptable on this thread?

Nonsense.

As reflected by the fact that you don’t get to delete or edit other people’s posts.

So what does Heaven, Man, Earth mean exactly - in anti grappling terms?

Anybody?[/QUOTE]Trolling, again? You know that anything said about HFY here is just an “infomercial” to YOU. Why ask when you KNOW you aren’t the least bit interested in learning about it.

You’ve shown time and time again that you think HFY and its members are nonsense. “What is Tin Yan Dei?” Like I’m supposed to take your question seriously anymore? Serious folk (genuinely interested people) will actually go to learn it first hand.

Oh no, now I’m going to be accused of selling something… :rolleyes:

Stop trolling, Victor.

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[QUOTE=Nick Forrer;801874]Simply put, one works and one doesnt.[/QUOTE]Oh, so now you’re the pro on HFY’s anti-grappling techs huh? As if you even know what hell we mean by “anti-grappling” boy. I’m sure you know all about it, don’t you? That’s why you’re the expert on this subject and that’s why people should listen to your punk @ss comment. Why don’t you answer Vic’s question then since you obviously know?:eek:

[QUOTE=Nick Forrer;801874]‘Grappling’ already encompasses the best ways to defend against grappling e.g. pummel, sprawl, shelf, ****zer, cross face, peeling grips, stiff arm etc.[/quote]Simply put, this punk doesn’t know what the “F” anti-grappling actually is, especially when it comes to using WING CHUN to do it.

[QUOTE=Nick Forrer;801874]Dont waste time learning anti grappling from someone who doesnt know how to grapple in the first place.[/QUOTE]Who the hell are you to talk sh!t about what you know nothing about boy??? You’re just a punk trolling another thread. Oh, I’m sorry… you do have first-hand experience in this, and that’s why your sharing here! And now according to you (yup, quoted above in case you didn’t notice)… ‘someone’ must be selling a line of BS… You have no clue and no real experience to even talk like you know what’s up.

You must have learned grappling from a Weng Chun master - or from someone who couldn’t handle it back in some hotel room. Gosh, can’t remember his name off the top of my head. :eek: :cool: You’re no friend of HFY. You’re just a boy following the crowd.

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Once again Savi has to be reminded that asking for information is not trolling.

And the refusal to give it only adds to other people’s doubts about the whole anti-grappling premise.

And just for the record I, for one, don’t share Nick Ferror’s notion that all anti-grappling is bogus.

Get a clue, Savi.

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[QUOTE=osprey3883;801966]Nick/Mr Punch,
There is some discussion of the recent Brazil trip here-
http://www.hfy108.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15153&postcount=26
Funny enough the people from Brazil have a really good sense about what does and doesn’t work against grappling, especially since many of them are currently training as grapplers…

Matt[/QUOTE]

Yeah, people say a lot of things. Saying and doing are two very, very different things. Genuinely good grapplers – wrestlers, BJJ, sambo, judo, catch, etc. – have proven time-and-time-again that what they do, how they train, etc. works, at at the very highest levels of straight grappling and NHB fighting.

But, of course, there is a very easy way to see how well the “anti-crappling works” – Houston has some very good MMA gyms and excellent grapplers. They’ll be, I’m sure, very happy to stop by the seminar.

Until people are willing to do that – go up against good level fighters – anything they say, any of their opinions, can’t be taken seriously IMO.

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[QUOTE=Ultimatewingchun;802209]And the refusal to give it only adds to other people’s doubts about the whole anti-grappling premise.[/QUOTE]

Victor,

Disclaimer: I haven’t seen the seminar material yet so don’t know what GM Gee is teaching w/r to kiu sau and anti grappling in this session.

Tin Yan Dei or Heaven Human Earth in general terms is referring to ranges or height. In terms of ranges - heaven is long range, human is within contact range, and earth is grappling range. In terms of height - heaven is the head level, human is the torso level, and earth is below the waist.

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[QUOTE=t_niehoff;802227]Yeah, people say a lot of things. Saying and doing are two very, very different things.
[/QUOTE]
You are living proof of that around here.

Genuinely good grapplers – wrestlers, BJJ, sambo, judo, catch, etc. – have proven time-and-time-again that what they do, how they train, etc. works, at at the very highest levels of straight grappling and NHB fighting.

So STFU, get a life, and go study wrestling, BJJ, sambo, judo, catch, or etc. as opposed to trolling WC threads.

But, of course, there is a very easy way to see how well the “anti-crappling works” – Houston has some very good MMA gyms and excellent grapplers. They’ll be, I’m sure, very happy to stop by the seminar.

Which particular MMA gyms and grappling schools in Houston are you a spokesman for? I’m sure Brad would be happy to contact them and extend an invitation as well as point out to them that some punk lawyer from St. Louis is trying to draw them into conflicts on the Internet.

Until people are willing to do that – go up against good level fighters – anything they say, any of their opinions, can’t be taken seriously IMO.

Which, of course, is why none of us take you seriously.

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Hey Savi,

You’re now my favourite keyboard warrior LOL - the smallest dogs always yap the
loudest;)

[QUOTE=Savi;802197]Oh, so now you’re the pro on HFY’s anti-grappling techs huh? As if you even know what hell we mean by “anti-grappling” boy. [/QUOTE]

Well I know wing chun and I know grappling so I know where wing chuns relative strengths and weaknesses lie. Ive also seen your system and the footwork and strategy it employs (from Benny when he was here - who seems not to have heard me when I asked ‘so can you show us how you would stop a basic double leg’) - granted im no expert but I dont need to be - I can make an educated guess as to its efficacy against a trained grappler. Besides I would say the onus is on you to show that it works, not on me to disprove it…just as someone who is touting a ‘miracle pill that will cure all your ails for the low low price of x $’ needs to esablish that it works to have any credibility. Still I guess people like you (the zealots and true believers who view any criticism as blasphemy) are living proof that theres one born every minute.:wink:

[QUOTE=Savi;802197]Simply put, this punk doesn’t know what the “F” anti-grappling actually is, especially when it comes to using WING CHUN to do it.[/QUOTE]

Yeah sure…you use your superior mastery of time and space to position two hands against his one… blah blah. Its all theory. The fact that you think it works shows you dont have any experience with grappling. You think grapplers dont know what to do if someone tries to angle off or stiff arm them? They know every valid way to counter their moves and they know how to accomplish their move despite that. Simply put:) people have grappled for thousands of years and have developed the most effective counters against grappling since those are the people they grapple against. In other words If you want to learn to defend against grappling learn to grapple…you may only use the defensive portion but that doesnt mean you are anti grappling (just as learning to return a serve in tennis doesnt mean you are doing ‘anti tennis’)

[QUOTE=Savi;802197]You must have learned grappling from a Weng Chun master - [/QUOTE]

No I learn grappling from this guy

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=p9t62Ou8z6A&mode=related&search=

And also trained with these guys

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv_-Qm4sU5U&mode=related&search=

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=9N4HJRwY2WU

But I will be meeting with BJJ Blackbelt Andreas next month and hope to learn something from him

BTW Who have you learnt grappling from?

And whilst we’re at it, why dont you tell the forum specifically how would you counter - double underhooks, a double leg, a low single, a high single, a rear body lock…

And how would you escape a triangle choke, a foot lock, side control, mount, back mount?

[QUOTE=Savi;802197]or from someone who couldn’t handle it back in some hotel room. [/QUOTE]

I thought we were talking about anti grappling not structure tests? But of course, not having any proper body structure will mean that any grappling defense is going to be hopeless. And you’re right it is a shame that after years of wing chun and calling yourself a master you cant pass the most basic hand on chest structure test.

[QUOTE=Savi;802197] You’re just a boy following the crowd.[/QUOTE]

Not really. If anything on your side its a question of the blind leading the blind. Besides WRT the word ‘boy’ looking at the pictures in MKF I would say its you that needs a few more years before you start shaving.

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Trashing HFY

I am speaking only for myself, and do not represent Hung Fa Yi or the Hung Fa Yi community. To those interested in trashing Hung Fa Yi on this thread or this forum, I suggest you go the closest Hung Fa Yi Kwoon and ask your questions in person. If you are close to Cincinnati - send me a private message and I can get you in touch with the Hung Fa Yi Kwoon in that city. Sifu Ryan was simply promoting an important seminar. If you are not interested - then why comment? He was not asking for snide little comments and “questions” that are nothing more than thinly veiled and sarcastic commentaries. Do you guys live a kung-fu life or punk life?

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Terrence,

Yeah, people say a lot of things. Saying and doing are two very, very different things.

IMO you need to put up or shut up, we are all tired of your mouth.
As far as doing, I would love to take a crack at you. I also have some sihings that are about your same age who would love the same, are you game? Or is it time to retreat, whining about how it isn’t about you?

Matt

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I gather the Brazilian HFY students that study Luta Livre are still studying that art along with HFY. There was no mention of leaving their crosstraining behind because of any cataclysmic revelation during the seminar.

Those guys are thus doing the same thing Victor, Nick, and I do, and what the big T admonishes and browbeats everyone, including those who have done it much longer than he has been talking about it, to do incessantly.

OTT claims aside (by WC or grappling substyles), we’re all sort of on the same page then, as unappetising a prospect as that might be to some.