Hello, this is my first post on these forums. I am interested in find a instructor in NYC. I have a bit of martial arts experience and have won a number of competitions in judo and tae kwon do when I was in my teens. I have since taken a break from martial arts. I would now like to rejoin the world of martial arts, but now with something a bit more “artful”.
I am look for a instructor that will train me in traditional forms and application. Being in NYC I have seen a lot of schools and I know most of them aren’t really authentic and would just rather take my monthly fee and slap a belt on me every now and then. I am not looking to get “Belts” I am looking to learn a art with roots in combat.
You will need to see Sifu Raul Ortiz he is in NYC and will do a great job of teaching you good Mantis Basics and if you stay around long enough some very nice forms as well.
I do not know if that is his academy name as I met Mr. Ortiz many many years ago and we had talked and got along pretty good and we exchanged some training pointers and forms but this was a real long time ago. As for the other gentleman who’s name was mentioned I would study under him as well as he should be very great as well. My first Master when I was in Vietnam was GrandMaster Chui Chuk Kai and I loved the training and later studied under his disciples when he left, then I went to South Korea and studied under GrandMaster Fung and then many years later under another Master in Korea. If you can find anyone who learned from them or one of their students taught by them you will be very well trained.
I wish you luck in your pursuit, Take care and be well.
Tony Chuy shcool does a lot of applications and they teach traditionaly. They don’t spar for something like 8 years but they do a lot of application. And their forms look good.
[QUOTE=wiz cool c;729945]Tony Chuy shcool does a lot of applications and they teach traditionaly. They don’t spar for something like 8 years but they do a lot of application. And their forms look good.[/QUOTE]
Now I know why kung fu people get their butts kicked
If you are looking for traditional and combat effective style try James Cama Sifu at 225 Park Row NYC in Chinatown Sports Club Mon. & Wed. 8:00 to 10:00pm. He is the lineage disciple under Robert Lee who is a direct disciple of Grand Master Lam Sang of the Kwong Sai Jook Lum Gee Tong long Pai (Southern Praying Mantis). 347 495-6992 www.jooklummantis.com
[QUOTE=lui1828;734764]Now I know why kung fu people get their butts kicked[/QUOTE]
What martial art do you study and what criteria do you think a
student should have for free sparring? Do you think it is fair for you to
judge our fighting abilities without knowing anything about us? Have you
visited our school? Spoken to our Sifu or students? Please feel free to
come by and observe a class before making such remarks.
[QUOTE=wiz cool c;729945]Tony Chuy shcool does a lot of applications and they teach traditionaly. They don’t spar for something like 8 years but they do a lot of application. And their forms look good.[/QUOTE]
not sure where you get your information from. There are few things my Sifu considers before having any students spar such as how long he/she have been at the school and the level and ability of the student. It can take a few years for a student to get to that level, it all depends on the person but students are introduced to partner conditioning, sensitivity, and application drills within a few months of joining the school. We do not believe in throwing beginners right into sparring “sessions” before they have a good foundation in the style. Otherwise, they may be prone to reverting back to what may come instinctual to them prior
to their training rather than using praying mantis techniques and applications. This is why we focus on sahn sao practice a lot to develop those mantis techniques into reflex before allowing students to free spar.
[QUOTE=fr0st003;728556]Hello, this is my first post on these forums. I am interested in find a instructor in NYC. I have a bit of martial arts experience and have won a number of competitions in judo and tae kwon do when I was in my teens. I have since taken a break from martial arts. I would now like to rejoin the world of martial arts, but now with something a bit more “artful”.
I am look for a instructor that will train me in traditional forms and application. Being in NYC I have seen a lot of schools and I know most of them aren’t really authentic and would just rather take my monthly fee and slap a belt on me every now and then. I am not looking to get “Belts” I am looking to learn a art with roots in combat.
thanks in advance for your help,
John[/QUOTE]
I have had little time to post and i might be late but this is worth the tardy reply
for what you seek i would suggest 2 places either http://www.wutang.org/
or http://www.pachitanglang.com/ both are internationally renowed for the combination of applications / tradition . The latter is GM Su YU Chang aka Lightining Fist and is one of the definitive sources on N Praying Mantis
the former is GM MArlon Ma’s school and is pretty much the same system but with a different emphasis on arts. both are equally good as far as instruction goes. I guess it boils down to where you are.
James
Mantis Rider wiz cool c gets his information about the school because his girl friend used to be a student at the school.
But who cares what they say. It is their opinion. If people think that sparring is the only way to learn how to fight then that is fine for them. I don’t really see how sparring helps one learn how to fight in a real street situation. Whether you use pads or not people usually sparring (and I said usually I am not saying every one and I am not talking about sport fighting) do a lot of dancing around and feints and what not. That is not what street fighting is at all. You don’t dance around; you fight. You either throw your fists and kicks or some one charges the other person. The way Sifu teaches works and that is all that matters. We know it and he knows it. The way he has us train works. We don’t dance with other people we stand there and get used to some one punching at us without any equipment on and if you don’t block you get hit. We don’t use a 100% of power per say but we go at each other hard enough and fast enough where if you don’t block when you get hit or kicked it will hurt but the most important thing is that you get used to some one putting their hands in your face or by grabbing you or kicking at you. And by doing that you start to garner confidence in your system and your self. You get in a situation and some one throws a punch you are prepared for it because you are used to it, you don’t have to be nervous or timid. And when we protect ourselves we are using the mantis system the way it is supposed to be used and because of that it will carry over in a real situation, because we do it a lot. It becomes second nature and like I said earlier we don’t dance around. We don’t duck or flinch we block and counter attack using mantis techniques and that is all we use. While we are training we get used to being grabbed and pulled and knocked down. We sit there and take it we don’t try to run from it which is what a lot of people do when they are sparring. When you are sparring you look for openings or you are trying to stay away from your opponent but the way we train we don’t do any of those things, we want to stand there and bridge the gap. We close with our opponent as fast as possible and control them and the situation. That is how we train and it works. And we are using what we are being taught, which happens to be Mantis!
[QUOTE=mantisrider;735547]What martial art do you study and what criteria do you think a
student should have for free sparring? Do you think it is fair for you to
judge our fighting abilities without knowing anything about us? Have you
visited our school? Spoken to our Sifu or students? Please feel free to
come by and observe a class before making such remarks.[/QUOTE]
I was at your school when Brenden Lai gave a seminar a few years ago. Master Chuy and his students are certainly a nice bunch of guy. Even though Master Chuy met me only one time, he still remember me and said hello when we met on the street months later.
For 98% of those who do Kung fu without real unrehersed give and take, their Kung fu will fail them. Go to any boxing, wrestling, muy thai.. gym and ask them
for a “sparring session”. See how long you last. Oh wait, " kung fu has deadly techiques that cannot be used in sparring" . It’s always one excuse or another.
I did judo for 10 years and it gave me more confidence than I had with my prior with prior kung fu traning.
For 98 of those who do Kung fu without real unrehersed give and take, their Kung fu will fail them. Go to any boxing, wrestling, muy thai.. gym and ask them
for a “sparring session”. See how long you last. Oh wait, " kung fu has deadly techiques that cannot be used in sparring" . It’s always one excuse or another.
I’ve never done unrehearsed sparring in my classes, and in either of the fights I’ve gotten involved in since I began training, my Kung Fu didn’t “fail” me. In fact, the presence of mind and focus I learned in training is what kept my wits about me even though I’d had a couple…alright, a few…alright, six…drinks before one of the altercations. Granted, I didn’t use any of my animal forms but I believe CMA is about more than technique.
IMHO handling a street fight is a personal issue. Oftentimes one’s training can fly out the window once the “fight-or-flight” response kicks in, regardless of how often one spars. Granted, sparring and tournament or MMA fighting can prepare a person for the sensations involved with a physical fight, but once the event happens, all bets are off and chaos sets in. The principles behind the techniques are how a person can rise above that chaos.