I am really curious as to how his curriculum is set up! I tried googling, and students of his from Spain and Norway list on their website a list of forms for each system (empty hand, weapons, and qigong). This made me think that maybe each art is taught individually and students simply choose what they want to focus on.
However, most students these days are likely new to martial arts and rarely are familiar with the nuances of different styles. This makes me ponder as to whether they are taught all together as a sort of mish-mash.
On Master Su’s website for this school in NYC, it says:
New students begin studying Tanglang, Pakua, Hsing-I or Tai Chi, but all styles, including Pikua and Pachi, are taught during all classes.
Depending on how you pick it apart, it could mean the mish-mash idea or the individual art idea.
You can consider Pikua as joints loosing method and Baji as power generating method, both can be integrated into almost any system that you are training.
I’ve not trained with him, but i have 2 great friends who trained with him, and their (my friends’) teachers are his disciples. Here’s a web page when you can find his curriculum for the style he teaches (the web page is in spanish)
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1234166]You can consider Pikua as joints loosing method and Baji as power generating method, both can be integrated into almost any system that you are training.[/QUOTE]
I kinda had a feeling about that, but I wasn’t sure.
I know that Master Su’s mantis has some baji jing to it. I’ve never studied Baji, but looking at the forms, I can see the power generation and I can see how one could apply that to a separate technique. I’m curious how pigua’s whipping power would be applied to other arts tho
[QUOTE=HmorenoM;1234194]I’ve not trained with him, but i have 2 great friends who trained with him, and their (my friends’) teachers are his disciples. Here’s a web page when you can find his curriculum for the style he teaches (the web page is in spanish)
[QUOTE=Kymus;1234200]Thanks for the input! I’ve seen the listing of forms on other foreign sites. I’m just trying to figure out how it’s taught in class.
How is your friend’s english? Cuz, I speak maybe 3 words of Spanish
Oh, and do you mind my asking how long he trained with Master Su (while he was still in Venezuela)? I’m just curious :)[/QUOTE]
If you’re talking about Willy Rivero, well, he was in a Kung Fu School founded by Fu Shun Nan, Tai She Che and Su Yu Chang (La Danza del Dragón) back in the 70’s. He started in 83. Then master Su moved to Spain in 1989
And well, i’m not sure, but i think Willy Rivero’s english is not perfect, but he can communicate very well. He’s even registered here but, well, here’s his only post
There are actual students, and some teachers who trained under master Su, Fu and Tai back in the 70’s who can speak to you in better english (i think)
OH, btw, when i said i had 2 friend who trained with him, i’ve to say sorry, my bad there. His disciples / students (master Su’s) are their (my friends’) teachers
[QUOTE=bawang;1234208]that’s a lot of forms.[/QUOTE]
Not when you consider how many forms are in the Seven Star and Plum Flower Mantis families. Those are just a fraction of many mantis school’s curriculum.
[QUOTE=mooyingmantis;1234214]Not when you consider how many forms are in the Seven Star and Plum Flower Mantis families. Those are just a fraction of many mantis school’s curriculum.[/QUOTE]
I was wondering about that. I’ve seen a list of maybe 80 forms for 7-star mantis and I think there are about 40 in the list given.
I know people who trained with him (but like a decade ago). Most just learned forms, but those who were “close” were taught skills… pretty much like most Chinese teachers
I remember speaking to Steven Laurette, I think, many years ago about Su-Yu Chang.
If I remember correctly, it may not have been Laurette but his name pops into mind,
He said that Chang would sell a complete “system” for 5 to 10 grand of a particular mantis system of the buyers choosing.
This was said long ago, so please take this with a grain of salt.
[QUOTE=mantis7;1234446]I remember speaking to Steven Lauret think, many years ago about Su-Yu Chang.
If I remember correctly, it may not have been Laurette but his name pops into mind,
He said that Chang would sell a complete “system” for 5 to 10 grand of a particular mantis system of the buyers choosing.
This was said long ago, so please take this with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the 411. It sounds to me similar to what LKFMDC had said in his stories about Chan Tai-San.
[QUOTE=mantis7;1234446]Su-Yu Chang … He said that Chang would …[/QUOTE]
It should be Su Yu-Chang. Su is his last name. His original name was Su Kuan-Ming. I have heard that since there was a killer who had the same name, Su changed his name after that.
I hung out at the school he had with his student the late Mike Martello and Rosa Huang in NYC before the falling out that led to the closing and Mikes journey to Taiwan to train with Su’s classmates.
The material was pretty solid but emphasis was on the forms and skills but not too much on sparring.
Other schools he’s opened there was a stronger emphasis on combat.
Guess its built to the preference of the student.
Rosa runs Mike’s old school in Belgium the last I heard.
