[QUOTE=k gledhill;1017818]how yip passed it…you’d be surprised what Yip Man passed on to some :D..and not others.
Elbows , elbows , elbows…simple once you have it shown, but you wouldnt ever see it otherwise… hidden , cryptic, secrets ;)[/QUOTE]
See this is where you and T have something in common, no diss intended.. But in many cases T and others and you seem to think that no other lines have elements of what each of you do in their core.. In fact, strong structural elements do exist beyond their line and use of the elbows, lat sao jik jong, etc, as you speak also exists in mine. Good Moy Chun does not chase hands and does emphasize the elbows, forward spring energy, etc, trust me I was there and it’s my core as well. I mention him because I find it interesting in as much as you guys went in very different directions seeming certain it was the only right direction. But both these ends are part or from good Chun IMO…
I have also talked about very similar methods to what you do and this is where T goes nuts because he wants everyone to see the art as MMA dirty clinch work..(that’s a secret though).. 
At the old Chinatown HQ school, the core you mention was very much the core I learned.. I do think you guys may have changed the emphasis a bit and dropped some other elements.
Bottom line is that strong core elements of VT are around if scarce.
In the case of Tom I can tell you he makes me nuts.. I do not know how we can have learned from the same teacher if we did.. What he does is not representative of what I think of as Moy Yat Wing Chun.
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it is a waste of time if you don’t understand what it is your doing…years even, wasted.
Its very simple but many turn it into feely , touchy stuff with hands grappling for control and hitting each other , fighting in chi-sao like its a sparring match, rather than tools for developing to fight .
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Exactly right.. It’s about the VT core… 99% Plus of Chun is missing key parts of the training, not secret advanced parts, just critical basics..
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We allow guys to hit us when we deliberately make openings to make us develop close range strikes without hesitating to hit if an arm leaves ours
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And we talk about forward spring energy, if you have this you don’t need to respond to openings you’ll take them automatically. The FSE changes the tools into the weapons as they fire, then comes the chung chee/fajing, half the art is developing the connection reflex between these two parts of energy release.
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…you would be surprised that even ‘sifu’ of many years cant do the punching when asked to. Wasted time doing feely sticky bs , instead of hitting with force to ko you on the spot.
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You don’t even need to test them. As soon as you touch hands you’ll know if they have the intent to do this or if their hands are just “there”.
Still there are elements of control.. I think the system allows for either way to use it..and a lot depends on what the opponent gives you.. There are controlling elements, but the primary objective is attacking the line with full body power, not just egg beater arm powered chain punches.