really?
You’re going to compare the creme of the pro boxing crop doing flashy, fight-hyping, public workouts against an every day class of a gym full of random amateur sanshou students?
Manny Pacquiao’s a freak when it comes to endurance… so he shouldn’t even be in the discussion.
That being said, I’m sure Floyd Mayweather was sweating more from the temperature in his gym than any work he was actually doing (never been a fan of his workouts). I’d probably put energy expenditure of the sanshou kids above him.
Have a hard time seeing the difference between JMM freestyling on the double end bag and the split second they show the sanshou kids actually freestyling (instead of the stupid speed bag imitation).
Would you be more happy if the sanshou kids did more jumprope?
If you want to debate class environment vs open workout, I probably agree with you that an open workout is superior. Class workout does have its benefits though, you may end up getting pushed outside your comfort zone more if there’s an expectation for the whole class to do so. But people doing open workouts can be just as lazy/non-agressive.
Been reading up on gyms in Thailand. Apparently the gyms in Phuket (Sinbi, Tiger Muay Thai, Phuket Top Team, etc) run actual classes; while the gyms in Bangkok (Jocky Gym, 13 coins, etc) run open gyms. Of course most of that is due to catering to fighters versus tourist beginners, but it’s not like none of those tourists fight.
I have to have a certain amount of open gym time and I feel really restricted & frustrated if I don’t get it. Tonight’s my free gym night. My goals are to get my work in, get 5 rounds on thai pads, and maybe some more sparring.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1172638]You feel I am being to harsh on them?[/QUOTE]
In the middle of the class, most students in my student’s Sanda school have to go outside of the training hall and “vomit”. I think that’s too much. If people don’t “enjoy” their training, they won’t stay long.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1172643]In the middle of the class, most students in my student’s Sanda school have to go outside of the training hall and “vomit”. I think that’s too much. If people don’t “enjoy” their training, they won’t stay long.[/QUOTE]
Lets remember something here guys, this is a promotional video for this club.
And would YOU post a promotional video of YOUR club showing anything other than what is viewed as “top notch” ?
See, this is the issue I have with people posting videos, NOT of themselves working out mind you, but promoting an art.
When people do that they are putting what THEY believe to be the HEART, the Core, the essences of THAT art as THEY see it.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1172638]You feel I am being to harsh on them?[/QUOTE]
I’ll watch it again tonight after work and see if my initial impressions stand.
EDIT:
Watched it again.
ignore 1:00 to 1:20.
1:25 on is just defense drills. We do these in muay thai all the time. Heck we did them in boxing & it’s pretty much the same as Roger Mayweather style padwork. At 2 min when they start throwing people, that can be exhausting for both partners. If you’ve got any Judo experience, you’ll know that simply getting back up from the ground over and over can be exhausting. That sparring gauntlet at 2:40 looks brutal, watching that dude’s head snap back when he’s shelled up like that shows no lack of intensity. The guys on the left are basically standing there, defending a single engagement from each partner, and then switch. At 3:00, that’s a shelling exercise, not dissimilar from crazy monkey.
Their style of sanshou is centered around blazing fast combos that transition into throws. It’s a completely different theory than muay thai. Its goal is not the knockout. This looks a lot more like the sanshou training I’m familiar with than the stuff that Yan Lei’s doing in the shaolin uk vid you posted.
Are we watching the same stuff? http://youtu.be/9y25omNZ7Eg
I really don’t see what’s wrong with this training except for the lack of power training (heavy hits on the bag).
In general, I was mainly watching the teacher (with the mohawk), the students - not as much.
Kicking tires is not fun (at least at first) and I thought I saw at least one dude put enough impact into the tire to bend it.
I’ll have to take a look at the rest of your clips as well; but the first clip - at the beginning those guys are being straight up lazy hitting those boxing mitts with defense drills, replacing the fluidity & speed of the sanshou kids with stiffness and rigidity. The monk himself is more impressive doing shadow and suitcase bag than he is on his bag-less heavybag (it honestly looks like his bag ripped so he duct-taped the filling and stood it up). He throws like 1 technique every 5 or 10 seconds at the beginning. The second group of guys on the mitts aren’t so bad. The first couple students on the suitcase bag are horrible and no better than the sanshou kids kicking tires. Drives me nuts that nobody from this gym rotates their hips through on their leg kicks. The kid using focus mitts as thai pads isn’t bad there. If that monk hits anybody/anything hard with the cross he’s throwing in his shadow, then he will break his wrist.
I think it’s because those sanshou kids are wearing shirts and you can’t see the sweat glistening from their bodies… you seem to like clips of people with sweat glistening from their bodies.
[QUOTE=Frost;1172647]nope i dont think you are, this is how a fighting gym aimed at amateur fighters should look in my opinion…its an MMA gym but you get the point
Are you serious?
at :30sec - 2 soft punches into a slow-mo burpee is superior to what the sanshou kids are doing?
How many people are just standing around during the technique explanations?
Is it the fact that the sanshou guys aren’t doing much live sparring, mainly focusing on defense drills?
The sanshou vid is people working on technique & conditioning. Seriously, add some legit heavybag training, sparring, and takedown practice to what the sanshou kids are doing and you’ll have something at least as good as what these guys are doing.
[QUOTE=Pork Chop;1172653]Are you serious?
at :30sec - 2 soft punches into a slow-mo burpee is superior to what the sanshou kids are doing?
How many people are just standing around during the technique explanations?
Is it the fact that the sanshou guys aren’t doing much live sparring, mainly focusing on defense drills?
The sanshou vid is people working on technique & conditioning. Seriously, add some legit heavybag training, sparring, and takedown practice to what the sanshou kids are doing and you’ll have something at least as good as what these guys are doing.[/QUOTE]
yes id say the conditioning session and technique work in rhat clip were more intense and crisper. . . As for standong around during the tech part…umm what else would they be doing?
[QUOTE=Frost;1172654]yes id say the conditioning session and technique work in rhat clip were more intense and crisper. . . As for standong around during the tech part…umm what else would they be doing?[/QUOTE]
yeah, i guess there’s something wrong with my eyes or something.
I saw guys in your vid doing half-azzed calisthenics circuits and shrimping.
I saw guys in the sanshou vid doing side to side pushups and frog walks.
as far as standing around during technique demonstration, you didn’t see a lot of that from the kung fu kids. In your vid, they seemed to stop a lot. I know that’s a grappling thing, but it’s kind of funny to hear a knock on intensity when so much of the vid is people sitting around watching.
when you say “crisp” and “intense”, i think we’re talking stylistic differences.
watch some amateur sanshou from china - that’s how they fight: barrage of fast, light combos to close the gap and secure a throw. like i said, they’re not going for a KO.
