But it can just lead to a big ego stretch
It can, but the people who engage in this will never be the best they can.
You have to train like it’s the most important thing in your life and fight like it doesn’t matter.
People with big ego problems tend to train like it’s mildly important and fight like it’s the most important thing.
They tend to lose against evenly matched opponents.
ah, ego is ego, everyone has one, some people have an overinflated one.
maybe they won’t be the best they can be (whatever that means) but a person have an overinflated sense of self doesn’t mean they can’t beat your ass into the ground consistently no matter how “true” you are to your training.
face it, some guys are assholes and they also train hard and they kick ass.
The competitive environment attracts egoism (and repels it quickly too) and there are plenty of egoists. More so than you will find in nude tai chi class for instance. 
Or a karate club loaded up with gawky and geaky kids standing on one leg all night. lol
I don’t know KL. I’ve seen lots og big ego guys walk through our door. As a general rule, they don’t come back. I think it’s because their ego simply can’t take the @ss whooping that is a regular part of training. It’s the humble, quiet guys who do best at my gym. Even the 1 or 2 ****y guys who stayed have mellowed out quite a bit.
Exactly WD.
It takes humility to walk in, get *****ed day in and out, and keep coming back.
A big ego can’t handle that. Much safer for them to find another activity.
People who think competitive sports are about egos don’t understand competitors.
Bullies are different, and don’t usually make it very far unless they are just blessed with enormous talent.
This doesn’t make great competitors nice guys…plenty of non-bullies out there who are *******s!
IN high school, the football players always came out for wrestling. They were tough, they were strong, they could hack it, right?
Nah. We usually had one out of ten or twelve stay. They were used to skating by on attributes. Then they got *****ed by some ****y looking skinny kid. Couldn’t handle it.
Yep, precisely.
Here’s one famous example of an ego losing someone’s career. There are hundreds more.
I don’t have an ego cos I always get my ass wupped! 
a big ego without skill is one thing.
a big ego with skill to back it is another thing entirely.
as a for instance, I point to Muhammed Ali.
In his heyday, a total egotistical guy and he could wallop the crap out of anyone basically.
If ya don’t know enough, I agree, it is best to shut up and listen and take your lessons like a tablespoon of buckleys. Learn from your errors and move forward.
But I am not under the impression that -no ego- is the rule amongst ma-ists in any category. There is plenty of ego in all genres. Which is also perfectly human in nature.
Originally posted by DragonzRage
[B]"3 rounds of san da is a whole 'nother he|| compared to muay thai… "
-umm…bull$hit.
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Actually; he’s got a point…
A Muay thai round will always be of a specific length…
A San Da round can stretch to almost 10 minutes because they stop the clock on takedowns…
Also a bigger energy output when you’re talking about repeatedly picking up someone of equal or similar weight…
FYI Suntzu’s done both to a pretty high level regionally; so he’s speaking from experience.
Originally posted by Kung Lek
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face it, some guys are assholes and they also train hard and they kick ass.
The competitive environment attracts egoism (and repels it quickly too) and there are plenty of egoists. More so than you will find in nude tai chi class for instance.
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A lot of this has to do with what the instructor will or will not tolerate. I can tell you that it wont happen in my class. I’ve never seen anyone thrown out yet, but I have seen peple chastised for unacceptable behavior and told that they would not be welcome at the gym if it continued.
Personally, I wont train at a gym with @ssholes. Too dangerous when big egos are involved.
The average San Da round is around 4 minutes and 15 seconds, most MT is a set 2 minute round…
MT is all knees
San da is knees and throws, lots of throws…
Draw your own conclusions as to which is more intense
As for being 31 and not being able to condition, I am OLDER than that… I still do the same conditioning my fighters do! I was just in Gresham Oregon with Randy Couture, he’s older than me and trains HARDER…
I think it depends on the person and the tempo of the fight…some san da matches could be more intense than some muay thai matches…and vise versa…I don’t think one is more intense than the other…but I don’t know much about san da…
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“FYI Suntzu’s done both to a pretty high level regionally; so he’s speaking from experience.”
Well then I will respectfully disagree with him. IMO, it’s a pretty asinine blanket statement from someone who should know better. The two sports are a lot more similar than they are different, and to generalize that one is sooo much harder then the other is ridiculous. It depends a lot more on the individual fighters (their strategies, the pace they set, how they match up, etc). Keep in mind that by the logic that Sanda is extremely more intense than Muay Thai, it should follow that Sanda fighters have much better conditioning. In reality, if you compare Chinese sanda guys with thai fighters, the opposite is often true. Case in point: Zhang Jiapo vs Gaolan Kaovichet in K-1 Max.
I think that Dragonzrage and SunTzu should challenge each other to an internet death match.
Originally posted by DragonzRage
Well then I will respectfully disagree with him.
Well as long as you’re respectful about it.
Personally, I’d rather fight in the shorter rounds.
How you can say that they are more similar than they are different and then ignore the fact that the rounds in one are double the length (on average) is equally asinine. 
Originally posted by EvolutionFist
[B]Conditioning of course. But conditioning is like money… everybody wants it and strives for it but how much can you realistically get?
I’ll be 31 in May and I’m an editor. I can’t condition like the 18 year old and I can’t spend like the stockbrocker. [/b]
sure you can. One of my bjj coaches is 38, and he places in the top three at pretty much every national level tournament he enters. His goal is to get invited to compete in the abu dhabi. My other bjj boach is 29… almost 30 - and he also places in pretty much every national level competition he enters.
My thai coach is 30, and he competes avidly.
At 31, you’re still young - Don’t let the thought of “being too old” handicap you. Now, if you were 51, that’d be a different story…
So it’s more important for me to learn how to watch my budget. Get done what needs to get done by using what I have intelligently.
Likewise, you’ll often hear me disagree about lifting weight, that it trains to fight against weight/resistance and can actually harm your punching power because you may train the biceb to get involved when it should be purely tricep and vice a versa …
if you are on the right type of lifting program, I can’t see this as being an issue.
I think that Dragonzrage and SunTzu should challenge each other to an internet death match.
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Originally posted by Akhilleus
Oooh you just gave me great idea for another Baltimore San Shou movie…check back in a couple days!
Me and my big mouf.
and to generalize that one is sooo much harder then the other is ridiculous.
i never said “sooooo much harder”… i said “whole 'nother he||”… both are he||… but san da is a whole 'nother he||…
In reality, if you compare Chinese sanda guys with thai fighters, the opposite is often true. Case in point: Zhang Jiapo vs Gaolan Kaovichet in K-1 Max.
also check out Jhon Igo vs Andy Sauyer(sp?) in the S-cup… or Liu Hai Long(sp?) vs some random thai in the china vs thailand fights :rolleyes: … or Jose Palacios vs Boy not sure of his last name from the Fairtex camp…
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Me and my big mouf.
While it’s wrong to talk in absolutes, it is without a doubt much harder to fight a round of sanshou or sanda than a round of muay thai. Everyone here who has ever fought sanshou can attest to this, myself included.
Grappling takes energy. Wrestlers are some of the best conditioned people on the planet.
They have to be.
and Liu Hai Long is a bad man!
Ya know, I guess I’m the opposite of most people. Straight Boxing, I’ll eat punches all day. Muay Thai, I do a lot better but I’m still not too comfortable. San Shou, I’m a lot happier. I guess I just feel a lot more comfortable in the clinch.
You’d think I’b be happiest with MMA, but that’s not the case either.