I was watching some videos today of a drill where one punches and the other parries and punches and over and over. No idea what it is called since I’m not a wing chun guy lol.
What I noticed is that these practitioners were well out of striking range while doing this. Arm fully extended and quite a bit short of the target. It seems like this would train people to use their techniques outside of the correct distance. Is this common in wing chun? Wouldn’t you want to be closer and instead do this drill while pulling thr punch short?
[QUOTE=JamesC;1212131]I was watching some videos today of a drill where one punches and the other parries and punches and over and over. No idea what it is called since I’m not a wing chun guy lol.
What I noticed is that these practitioners were well out of striking range while doing this. Arm fully extended and quite a bit short of the target. It seems like this would train people to use their techniques outside of the correct distance. Is this common in wing chun? Wouldn’t you want to be closer and instead do this drill while pulling thr punch short?[/QUOTE]
Sometimes it can simply be a module to develop hand coordination…VT requires good hand coordination.
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1212162][QUOTE=JamesC;1212131] No idea what it is called since I’m not a wing chun guy lol.
Thank heavens.[/QUOTE]
What? I’m sorry, did I somehow offend you by asking a harmless question?
What I was trying to get at is whether this is a drill used SOLELY for coordination, or is it performed this way because some schools prefer to teach full extention on each strike, etc. Stuff like that.
I realize i’m not part of your “uber-elite wing chun club”, but I find it odd that the first thing you do is reply with an insulting comment. It’s unprofessional and childish.
What? I’m sorry, did I somehow offend you by asking a harmless question?
What I was trying to get at is whether this is a drill used SOLELY for coordination, or is it performed this way because some schools prefer to teach full extention on each strike, etc. Stuff like that.
I realize i’m not part of your “uber-elite wing chun club”, but I find it odd that the first thing you do is reply with an insulting comment. It’s unprofessional and childish.[/QUOTE]
I think he may have been suggesting that you not being a WC guy might be a GOOD thing, as you would be without the adversarial attitude, fanboy substyle nuthugging, and lack of aptitude for logic that belongs to many WC stylists.
I think he may have been suggesting that you not being a WC guy might be a GOOD thing, as you would be without the adversarial attitude, fanboy substyle nuthugging, and lack of aptitude for logic that belongs to many WC stylists.[/QUOTE]
If that’s the case, I will definitely apologize for being a twit.
[QUOTE=JamesC;1212131]I was watching some videos today of a drill where one punches and the other parries and punches and over and over. No idea what it is called since I’m not a wing chun guy lol.
What I noticed is that these practitioners were well out of striking range while doing this. Arm fully extended and quite a bit short of the target. It seems like this would train people to use their techniques outside of the correct distance. Is this common in wing chun? Wouldn’t you want to be closer and instead do this drill while pulling thr punch short?[/QUOTE]
Imo, it’s not a good thing to do. I dont know if you’ve ever trained any martial arts or not, but if not, it’s actually a common view that striking out of range with the arms fully extended and short of the target is usually a bad idea. Most people usually realize this once they try it and it fails lol.
[QUOTE=EternalSpring;1212192]Imo, it’s not a good thing to do. I dont know if you’ve ever trained any martial arts or not, but if not, it’s actually a common view that striking out of range with the arms fully extended and short of the target is usually a bad idea. Most people usually realize this once they try it and it fails lol.[/QUOTE]
Do people actually miss the wallbag because of drilling like this? Do they accidentally stand too far away?
We do various drills, bag work, and sparring with the awareness of range at contact not being fully extended, but to extend and punch through the target once contact is made from close range.
With that awareness I don’t know why anyone would extend a punch at a further distance without ever making contact. I don’t understand how anyone could mess that up due to a separate training drill where we aren’t actually trying to hit a target but develop mechanics.
The uncommitted element of the VT punch is very basic to my understanding.
I normally teach most drills at a safe distance to begin with and then close the range once students have the mechanics understood and the control not to actually smash each other. I like the DP clip posted and the only thing that I would say isn’t covered (most likely because he talked about it elsewhere or some other reason) is that the partner doing the striking, whether the palm strike or the punch should also be learning to switch off their attack once it has been intercepted / deflected
[QUOTE=JamesC;1212156]Can’t you develop that coordination at the appropriate range?[/QUOTE]
Yes of course, some students can move with coordination better than others.
If a student can manage to “Pat Head and Rub Stomach” while stepping to the correct distances as well, then they dont need to do the PH & RS drill separately Another aspect to the drills are so we dont keep hands ‘holding on’ to the arm its parrying , an even more common error of over attending to an arm. Iow recycling parry back to make a new attack as the rear takes over to strike/defend simultaneously…a common error in chi-sao is to use the parrying hand too long and x arms.
Using one hand to make a parrying force while the other makes a direct striking line of force is often mixed up into both arms going forwards when asked to add stepping or done at faster speeds under more mental pressure. One of chi-sao main aims is to develop a structurally sound moving angling frame with well coordinated arms acting to assist each other, rather than one hand push the opponent away from the other hand trying to strike them.
