On the point of the flick of the wrist, should the hand end in a vertical or horizontal posision.
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What do you mean by the flick of the wrist
The last part of fook sau…
is the Flick (or what ever you want to call it)But what should the hand position be? Vertical or Horizontal?
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Catching-hand fuuk rests vertically, IN MY OPINION
Fook Sau
In Siu Nim Tao the ‘flick’ could be either when the fook moves position to Jum Sau, prior to withdrawing to Wu Sau in which case the fingers are vertical.
Another option is the fook changing to Taan Sau prior to rotating into Jum sau as believe is done in some other lineages (noteably Lee Shing/Austin Goh) in which case the palm is flat.
Either way, the fook doesn’t change its position, it simply moves into another shape.
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Dave F
‘wing chun men do it with sticky hands’
Dave F
my understanding is that the palm is almost never flat, certainly not in fuuk sao. could you explain why Lee Shing/Austin Goh would have it so? what is the rationale for a flat handed fuuk?
Fook Sau
I never implied Fook sau was flat!
In the Lee Shing/Austin Goh lineage (which I first Learned SNT from) The initial Taan Sau feeds out, rotates thru Huen sau to Jum Sau which is then withdrawn as in other lineages.
The difference is that then after the Wu Sau drops back int fook sau, The fook feeds back out along the center and on reaching the end of it’s path, it’s ‘Flicked’ up into Taan Sau again, before the Huen sau back to Jum Sau and the cycle continues.
Personally, it’s not the way I practice it and I never stayed long to gain a thorough understanding of why It’s done this way.
Fook Sau (hooking/detaining hand) as it’s name implies is not flat, otherwise it wouldn’t be fook sau.
Taan Sau (Dispersing/ Palm Up hand) is about as flat as any hand position I’ve seen.
Just my view.
Dave F
‘wing chun men do it with sticky hands’
Thanks Dave F
that all made sense.
Don’t you think, though, that the daimond-shape of the fuuk stays the same, but only the position (as determined by the wrist) changes?
Fook Sau
NP Meng Shuo.
Yeah the actual hand shape of fook stays the same all the way out, the way I practice it anyway.
Then again I’m no expert LOL!!
Regards
Dave F
‘wing chun men do it with sticky hands’
ever thought about the fuuk on a tan sao, Dave F? what might that allow you to do? Seriously, try envisioning it.
As In?
How do you mean?
Fook resting ON Taan (as in Chi sau) or using the Underside of Taan as a Detaining hand maybe??
‘wing chun men do it with sticky hands’
IN MY OPINION (maybe i should make this my autosignature? nah) the fuuk is to catch. the traditional SLT asks you to move from, for example, a bong sao to a tan, which in my mind is prelude to a throat gouging. if your purpose in tan sao is not to attack, then you gotta do something else with that hand or it is like a fish hook without a barb.
woodenman69
So tan to huen to jum sau and not wu sau?
Do you change jum sau to wu sau then?
And what lineage is this?
Lineage
The lineage I encountered it was Lee shing/Austin Goh, and yes, the Jum sau follows back to Wu Sau as normal.
It’s not the way I practice though.
My SNT is through Yip Chun/Sam Kwok/Brian Desir lineage.
regards
Dave F
‘wing chun men do it with sticky hands’
Hi Sleepflower
Can you describe a little more about this wrist flick? I have seen Randy Williams do an explicit flick of the wrist on video, while doing poon sau/luk sau - is this the type of flick you mean, and in this type of context? Or do you perhaps incorporate a wrist flick during the Siu Lim Tau? Anything else you can describe or offer about this wrist flick or its usage? Guess that’s why they say a picture is worth a thousand words. 
In the way that I practice, there is no characteristic fuk sau flick. However, I would still like to envision and follow your scenario better. I have learned that there are rare few universal practices in Wing Chun. 
A little more description may help some other readers too, perhaps even someone who can offer the specific insight you seek.
Regards,
- Kathy Jo
flick motion
should be horitzonal… if you think about it… fok sau motion is forward drill, if you flick vertically that’s the direction the fok sau will go…
think of how a snake moves forward…it does that by moving side to side, not up and down…
Have to agree with Ed on this one
When I perform fook sau, I use it with forward intention, with the fook moving horizontally.
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I think the “flick” you’re referring to is the wu sao, with a little fwd intention.
Nope
They’re talking about the fook sau. I’ve seen Randy Williams doing the flicking fook sau on tape also. I guess he has a different idea when it comes to forward motion. Who knows?
Flick of the wrist
The flick is no in the Sil Lim Tao but we practice the flick when we do fook sau. Drills etc.
The reason why I asked is because we have two different teachers. One tells us to end in a vertical position (almost like a low Wu sau)and the other in a more horizontal position.