qigong FAIL
This isnât really qigong. Itâs just stupid. Nevertheless, I thought I might try to launch a new newsfeed thread here.
15:48 14/02/2012
ROSTOV-ON-DON, February 14 (RIA Novosti)
Police have detained a resident of Russiaâs Rostov region for stabbing a friend who claimed his âabsâ were strong enough to stop any knife thrust, the regional Interior Ministry said in a statement on Tuesday.
The suspect told police that during a party he and a friend decided to experiment with martial arts techniques. âThe owner of the home got a big kitchen knife and asked his guest to stab him in the stomach. He refused at first, saying he was afraid he would kill the host. However, the host said that in his childhood he was involved in martial arts and the knife could not penetrate his abs,â the statement said.
Unfortunately, that was not the case. The host finally persuaded his friend to try stabbing him in the stomach, after which he had to be rushed to hospital with a serious stomach wound. The victim told doctors that he slipped and fell on the knife, but the doctors determined it would be impossible to get such an injury from a fall, and called the police.
A criminal case under Article 111 of the Criminal Code (serious bodily injury) was opened. If found guilty, the suspect could face up to eight years in prison.
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1158093]This isnât really qigong. Itâs just stupid. Nevertheless, I thought I might try to launch a new newsfeed thread here.[/QUOTE]
Priceless !
Some of the best MA F-ups start this way:
ââŠduring a party he and a friendâŠâ
Thereâs a line to be drawn between the 90-year old TCMA master who can do 100 pushups, and people who think qi can make them fly.
I feel sorry for his drunken guest that he got arrested.
[QUOTE=Neeros;1158132]I feel sorry for his drunken guest that he got arrested.[/QUOTE]
ESPECIALLY since he didnât want to do it, but was basically talked into it after refusing.
Reminds me of the guy in Indonesia or Malaysia, canât recall where, that cut a deep gash in his forearm after doing some qiqong thinking that it would protect him. Thereâs probably still a vid of it somewhere.
This sort of thing takes place when you are drunk. An understanding of gigong might also prevent this sort of thing. Flesh and bone is just that. Hammers, big stones, and sharp blades cut and break these quite easily, and no amount of gigong is going to protect you from that.
I remember watching a chinese monk doing some of this silly stuff and he was standing with his hands down by his sides when another monk was drawing back with a big board to him him across the skull. Well, the board broke as he drew it back to swing. Well, so much for their gigong demonstration. I can hear him saying to the others. We know it works right? So lets must make sure it goes smoothly and use the broken sticks. Almost all of what we see on TV or on the net is nothing more than parlor tricks that anyone can do.[
Does Pencak Silat call it qigong?
This article had me at âthey took rat poisonâ
Thursday, February 23, 2012 04:05 AM
Four die in extreme martial arts tests
Yemris Fointuna, The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Wed, 02/22/2012 8:21 AM
Four martial arts students have died while attempting to achieve invulnerability in extreme tests in separate incidents in Greater Jakarta, and East Nusa Tenggara.
Two men in Kupang, East Nusa Tenggara died on Tuesday as a vehicle drove over their bodies. A third man remains in critical condition.
The trio, all assistant coaches at the Kera Sakti pencak silat martial arts school, were identified as Ebiridio Sarmento, 20; Elder Cruz, 21; and Abilio Fretes, 18.
The three performed their test at the Noelbaki bus terminal. Witnesses said they first took rat poison and survived.
When none of them fell sick, they proceeded to the next test.
âThe three members later proceeded by laying down in the street while some motorcyclists drove over their bodies with their bikes a few times,â a fellow school member, Alberto Amaral, said on Tuesday.
âNobody got injured,â he added.
The three then decided to allow a four-wheel vehicle carrying dozens of passengers to roll over their bodies.
Their request was granted. However, this time the results were gruesome.
âThey screamed when the vehicles passed over their bodies. When the show was over, we found their bodies were crushed,â Alberto said.
Sarmento died at the scene, while Cruz died on the way to hospital.
Fretes is currently in critical condition at a hospital in Kupang.
Kupang Police criminal investigations chief Adj. Comr. Yohanes Kristian Tanau said they had named the schoolâs leaders, Egidius Sarmento and Antonio Tinto, as suspects.
Officers also took into evidence a car, two motorcycles and rat poison as evidence and were also questioning Brendo, the driver of the vehicle that passed over the men.
In a separate incident on Monday, two pencak silat enthusiasts from Cilincing, North Jakarta â brothers Slalindar Andri Wibowo, 24, and Dedi Supriyadi, 26 â died from severe burns after they were doused with acid in a test of their immunity against weapon attacks.
â[Andri and Dedi] learned to master a weapon-resistant skill. But when acid was poured on them, they were severely injured,â their sister, Lisa Faja Riana, said after viewing their bodies at the Cipto Mangunkusumo Hospital morgue on Tuesday.
Lisa said her brothers and two friends, identified as Oman and Hendra, went to Serang, Banten, on Saturday evening to look for a master who could teach them immunity against weapons.
Banten is famous for a traditional performance called the debus in which a performer demonstrates his invulnerability to weapons and fire.
âAndri told his wife that he went to a prayer gathering to learn religion instead,â Lisa said as quoted by kompas.com.
Lisa said the family was informed about the incident on Sunday evening after one of the victimsâ friends called to inform them that the brothers were dead and their bodies were in a hospital in Serang.
[QUOTE=Lee Chiang Po;1159314]This sort of thing takes place when you are drunk. An understanding of gigong might also prevent this sort of thing. Flesh and bone is just that. Hammers, big stones, and sharp blades cut and break these quite easily, and no amount of gigong is going to protect you from that.
I remember watching a chinese monk doing some of this silly stuff and he was standing with his hands down by his sides when another monk was drawing back with a big board to him him across the skull. Well, the board broke as he drew it back to swing. Well, so much for their gigong demonstration. I can hear him saying to the others. We know it works right? So lets must make sure it goes smoothly and use the broken sticks. Almost all of what we see on TV or on the net is nothing more than parlor tricks that anyone can do.[[/QUOTE]
Then there are cases like Mike Patterson, who has done public demos where guys hammered him in the chest with sledge hammersâŠ
[QUOTE=GeneChing;1159523]This article had me at âthey took rat poisonâ[/QUOTE]
They didnât do the trick right. Youâre supposed to dig a four inch deep hollow into the road, lie down in it and have a large plank placed across your chest for the truck tires to roll on.
These demonstrations are all nonsense and ego based.
NO super powers will be developed, but when you get older, your quality of life will be better if you havenât forfeited your health.
Vigorous exercise for aged people is not recommended. Qigong, TaiChi, Yoga and bodywork is excellent for maintaining an older body and keeping it supple.
Continuing to do the work of a young person is just pig headed ego.
No shortage of stupid self absorbed people in the world I guess.
âhey look at me! look at me!!!â < this is cute when youâre five and pathetic when youâre 20+
look @ me!
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1160177]These demonstrations are all nonsense and ego based.[/QUOTE]
Yea, rat poison doesnât work in UFC. Thatâs not the realz.
ttt 4 2013
Ouch.
[URL=âhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLfCmhQ0QsAâ]
er denkt er wÀre shaolin mönch
jesus christ
Holy back fat batman!:eek:
Study debunks myth qigong relieves pain
Yoga and qigong offer no relief from back pain in elderly people, German study finds
PUBLISHED : Sunday, 03 July, 2016, 5:32pm
UPDATED : Sunday, 03 July, 2016, 10:55pm
Stephen Chen
Contrary to popular belief, yoga and qigong do not reduce back pain in elderly people, according to German research.
The study recruited 175 volunteers aged 65 or more with lower back pain at the CharitĂ© â UniversitĂ€tsmedizin Berlin, one of Germanyâs largest medical research institutions.
The patients were divided into three groups for randomised controlled trials â one practised the modern Viniyoga method, another a qigong course called Nei Yang Gong, and the third received no intervention â for three months.
At the end, the patients were asked to grade their pain on a scale from zero for no pain to four for worst pain. No difference was found among the groups. The researchers, suspecting some effects might take longer to show up, took measurements again three month later, but still no significant difference emerged.
[QUOTE][But] the results do not say that yoga or qigong are not beneficial for older adults
DR MICHAEL TEUT
The results were surprising, according to the researchers led by Dr Michael Teut. âThe results do not say that yoga or qigong are not beneficial for older adults,â Teut told the South China Morning Post. âIn contrast, most of our patients were very satisfied with the programmeâ, although it did not reduce pain, he said.
Their paper will appear in the American Pain Society journal next month but is available now for a fee online.
Back pain is a common affliction worldwide. In Germany it affects two in three women and 58 per cent of men, according to a recent survey. Pain medication often has side effects, prompting an interest in alternative therapies in Western countries.
Yoga has existed as a spiritual and meditative practice in India for more than 2,000 years, although many of its exercise movements are more modern. Previous studies indicate that yoga as a form of exercise could relieve back pain, though the participants in those studies were mostly young.
Qigong has an equally long history in China as a form of exercise that channels the flow of internal qi or life energy in the body through a series of delicate, guided movements. Qigong, according to some recent studies in peer-reviewed journals, helped reduce blood pressure, depression, anxiety and the risk of falls in older adults.
But the value of yoga and qigong as alternative therapies remains a subject of debate among medical researchers. A systematic review of the health benefits of qigong and tai chi for cancer patients by Professor Zeng Yingchun at the Third Affiliated Hospital of Guangzhou Medical University in 2013 cautioned that the positive findings âneed to be interpreted cautiouslyâ due to the limited number trials.
While qi and its equivalent concept of prana in yoga are central concepts to traditional Asian medicine and martial arts, Western science has no method to define or measure it, and so cannot accept it as a physical entity.
A similar review of the literature of yoga conducted by researchers at Duke University in April concluded that while there was some evidence it was useful for middle-aged adults with lower back pain, âthe effects of yoga for health-related quality of life, well-being and acute low back pain are uncertainâ.
The German researchers said that although the volunteers reported no measurable improvement in pain relief, most were satisfied with the exercises, and some said they would recommend the therapies to family and friends.
One possible reason why the traditional exercises provided little pain relief to older patients was that the ability to cope with pain changes with age, they suggested. Some studies indicate young people deal better with pain.
Older adults may have a diminished ability to effectively respond to the stress of persistent pain
GERMAN RESEARCH TEAM
âOlder adults may have a diminished ability to effectively respond to the stress of persistent pain, which may be related to cognitive and physical impairments, increased sensitivity to pain ⊠and social isolation,â they wrote.
Yang Quanpu, a Taoist monk practising qigong in Beijing, said the exercise relieved pain by removing obstacles that hinder the flow of qi in the body. In traditional Chinese medicine theory, pain is caused by such âblocksâ.
âWhen you being practising qigong you may even feel an increase in pain as the qi tries to overcome these obstacles. This can be very difficult for some people,â Yang said.
âThe relief of pain takes time, depending on the health and physical condition of the practitioner, but with persistence and proper guidance, the benefits will come in the end. One who starts qigong in youth may avoid back pain for life.â
This article appeared in the South China Morning Post print edition as:
Study debunks myth qigong relieves pain
[/QUOTE] Stick to your gunsâŠor swordsâŠoh Taoist monk. :rolleyes:
That qigong/yoga study is complete bullschlitz
Greetings,
There are major flaws in the way both Yoga and Qigong were utilized. What team of high level practitioners were assembled for consultation? Were both exercise systems specifically designed to alleviate chronic lower back pain or known for alleviating said pain? And for only a month? What the fukk!! This is nothing but a commercial for pain management doctors and their cache of drugs. If you have pain there is a wonderful drug for it.
This is really a new low for the Qigong fail thread.
mickey
[QUOTE=mickey;1294840]
This is nothing but a commercial for pain management doctors and their cache of drugs. If you have pain there is a wonderful drug for it.
[/QUOTE]
In a perfect world youâre right. But who is getting a team of high level of practitioners to design a system specific to their individiual aches? Persons usually experience chronic pain, go to a community center and do whatever the lady/gentleman there tells them to do. Is it too much to ask to see some benefit after a whole month of standard training? I bet they would after a month of weight training. Such studies are used by insurance companies with millions of clients after all.
Greetings Cataphract,
That is what Masters in both disciplines can do: prescribe and develop exercise to address certain problems. If there are those with that level of accomplishment who cannot deliver, they should hang it up and go find a table for life at McDonaldâs or Burger Kings. Supersize them to death.
mickey