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Cool.. His hands look very much like his sifu’s..You can almost feel it buy looking at it.
He obviously lacks chi, which says a lot of good things about his WC !
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Checking elbow positions ![]()
And he’s very good - he has WSL’s style and flavor.
I also applaud his perserverence and hard work.
Phillip has a very good rep in the WSL line, as can be seen from this vid, he definetly knows his stuff:) Whether or not if he can actually fight, I still highly appreciate his specific Wing Chun skills and would absolutely attend a seminar or visit his school to get some training in with him if the chance would arise.
I think lots of people forget, that he does all of this with a slight handicap, as he has only one hand, so you have to give him credit where credit is due. I’ve heard that he had to work damm hard to gain the skills he has. A good example of what can be done with a good work ethic, understanding of the material at hand and consistent effort, combined with the guidance of a Sifu/coach like Wong Shun Leung.
James
A system based on elbows and forearm angles …hand or not makes no odds
it helps , but we aren’t meant to grab anyway unless forced to or have to, its JUT sao not lop anyway…but thats another thread ![]()
I never felt a chi-sao like his, or heard it explained as he does. I thought I was doing VT until I met him ![]()
the saying …when you drink water you always think of the source…I feel Like I drank closer to Yip Man and WSl than from anything before.
I gained a confidence inside I never had before from years of punching fighting guys etc…, I felt for the first time that I could really have an edge over someone using a simple skill , rather than sticky hand bs. Chi-sao changed radically from wristing feeling cr&p, to developing the ‘IDEA’ .
I kept listening …
Kevin,
What you are speaking about is WCK’s Chum Kiu skill - the area of the elbows to the wrist, and from shoulder to elbow, and the torso powers it from the Horse, waist, and hips. That is WCK. Most people think WCK is the extension - i.e. the fist, palm or biu sao, but real WCK is in the skill of the body and bridge.
Phillipe is showing that.
Most WCK think of SNT and BJ extension.
Very good.
He begins the idea in SLT …the first actions show the wrists xing the line , not hi/lo gan sao…the training is to make the elbows in …the only time we do this is SLT.
Chum kil according to PB is to end the fight quickly as possible …to take yourself to them with good stance unity as you said. Coupled with the techniques developed from SLT …not moves , subtle but its like being shown a part of the instructions to make a car you thought you had seen already…everyone I show this to says exactly the same thing ..
" How come I never heard it explained like this before ?" same results guys drop what they are doing /done for years because they know in that moment its a waste of time…
waste of time …all those years, scary huh ? would you want to face that ? I didnt even know it was coming :D…thinking I would meet PB and see ANOTHER way …
He doesnt pay me either to say this
he moves like bruce lee…fast explosive intense !
set the fire in me again…
That’s how I felt when I learned from Hawkins. ![]()
In WCK terminology, we see the difference between Chien Bei Sao (Before Arm Hand) and Hou Bei Sao (After Arm Hand).
The majority of WCK is Chien Bei Sao.
Only a few learn Hou Bei Sao.
This terminology is useful in judging the ability of any WCK system practitioner.
If you’re good you have it.
Being ‘good’ is no longer a random event
its a ‘way’ of thinking, that is lost to ‘wristers’
, guys who spend hours feeeeelinng
waste of time sadly.
one develops a fighter, the other a game player .
Sometimes a “disability” allows one to find his way in a MA faster and better than most.
JJ Machado is another fine example.
[QUOTE=k gledhill;903442]Being ‘good’ is no longer a random event
its a ‘way’ of thinking, that is lost to ‘wristers’
, guys who spend hours feeeeelinng
waste of time sadly.
one develops a fighter, the other a game player .[/QUOTE]
No. You develop a fighter (and fighting skill) ONLY by and through fighting, not by playing chi sao (however well you think someone plays).
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;903459]No. You develop a fighter (and fighting skill) ONLY by and through fighting, not by playing chi sao (however well you think someone plays).[/QUOTE]
what about fighting related drills?
[QUOTE=k gledhill;903442]Being ‘good’ is no longer a random event
its a ‘way’ of thinking, that is lost to ‘wristers’
, guys who spend hours feeeeelinng
waste of time sadly.
one develops a fighter, the other a game player .[/QUOTE]
Being good has a LOT to do with the ‘way’ you think and the ‘way’ you approach Wing Chun (or any other martial art). I also get what you’re saying about wrist vs. elbow programming, though. But THAT argument has been going on as long as Ball vs. K1 vs. Heel shifting!!! LOL ![]()
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;903460]what about fighting related drills?[/QUOTE]
It depends on HOW you drill.
One sort of drills are essentially snippets of fighting (situational) – for example, drilling passing the guard – where you practice exactly what you are going to do as you are going to do it under realistic conditions. As you are fighitng within the drill, you will develop fighting skills by doing these sorts of drills.
The other sort of drills are prep work: developing coordination, etc. so that you can do the fighting and drilling mentioned above. This won’t develop fighting skill but will enable you to do the fighting to develop fighting skill.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;903470]It depends on HOW you drill.
One sort of drills are essentially snippets of fighting (situational) – for example, drilling passing the guard – where you practice exactly what you are going to do as you are going to do it under realistic conditions. As you are fighitng within the drill, you will develop fighting skills by doing these sorts of drills.
The other sort of drills are prep work: developing coordination, etc. so that you can do the fighting and drilling mentioned above. This won’t develop fighting skill but will enable you to do the fighting to develop fighting skill.[/QUOTE]
You fight like you train. ![]()
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;903470]It depends on HOW you drill.
One sort of drills are essentially snippets of fighting (situational) – for example, drilling passing the guard – where you practice exactly what you are going to do as you are going to do it under realistic conditions. As you are fighitng within the drill, you will develop fighting skills by doing these sorts of drills.
The other sort of drills are prep work: developing coordination, etc. so that you can do the fighting and drilling mentioned above. This won’t develop fighting skill but will enable you to do the fighting to develop fighting skill.[/QUOTE]
Agreed.
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It continues to surprise me that people put up videos of themselves doing forms or chi sao (as though this was somehow impressive) and that others fawn over them.
To me it is like riding a bicycle.
You can create some bike riding forms where you go through the motions of bike riding (peddling, steering, braking, etc.) in the air. But does performance of those bike riding forms say anything about your bike riding skill? Wouldn’t you feel silly showing others how “well” you perform your bike riding forms? Or arguing over whose bike riding forms were more “correct”? Or how your “lineage” had the original bike riding forms?
And then you can get a bike and put training wheels on so that you can practice riding a bike in an unrealisitc, limited way. Chi sao is WCK with training wheels. Wouldn’t you feel silly showing everyone how well you can ride your bike with the training wheels? Or having training wheel bike races (chi sao contests)? Or fawning over how well so-and-so rides his training wheel bike? Or even thinking that riding with training wheels in any way prepares youfor mountain biking?
Does it help you learn to ride by practcing with training wheels? Perhaps. But you learn to really ride the bike by actually riding the bike without the training wheels. You become a better bike rider by really riding the bike. In fact, your bike riding skill will correspond to howmuch quality time you put in actually riding the bike – not practicing your bike riding forms or riding around with the training wheels on.
[QUOTE=t_niehoff;903459]No. You develop a fighter (and fighting skill) ONLY by and through fighting, not by playing chi sao (however well you think someone plays).[/QUOTE]
I thought that was obvious…what do you think happens when you learn to fight rather than do chi-sao games…? you fight more and understand the drill serves and end goal…not the end itself…
you have to understand the system before talking Terence