In regards to the endless (and I’ve been here a while) this vs that arguments, I’ve like to state one simple thing I’ve observed.
Students tend to find the teachers they deserve, and teachers attract the students they deserve. Everything else is incidental to that one main fact.
So what brings this on all of a sudden?
Obviously my last thread touched a nerve (or 2). So I took it down.
You know, whatever. I will tell you something. If I ever go to a school again, it’s not going to be CMA, it’s going to be MMA because at least they apply their sh*t without B.S.
Oh, and be sure to post this on the OYD,CMD,CMQ threads. You’re sure to get a reaction from those folks.
Bwahahaha…
You know what’s funny to me is that all these people that practice MMA, how many actually compete…what percentage…or is it just another STYLE filled with wannabes…only difference from CMA is its heroes and legends are televised. 
No, the difference between CMA and MMA is that CMA spends a ton of time on useless forms without practical applications.
CMA is a huge waste of time.
I mean, let’s take CLF for instance. How much time do you spend on form work versus practical applications? CLF is like a merger of 3 systems, each system of which was a merger of different systems… so to stay current and practice all those forms, are you proficient in fighting in any 1 form?
Could the average CLF student who spends, say, 3 hours a day doing forms, beat the average MMA student who spends, say, 1.5 hours on BJJ and 1.5 hours on boxing?
I train to train. I don’t train to fight.
Since you are the Patron Saint of Pain I thought maybe you trained for the pain!
Dude, don’t comment on Choy Lay Fut. It’s somthing you obviously know nothing about.
Actually, I did quite a bit of research on CLF in addition to taking classes … I will comment upon it if I want to comment upon it.
I can’t speak for other CLF teachers but in MY CLASS we spend close to 1hr on “fundamentals” which includes the following:
-conditioning
-single hand and foot techniques (some hands from Western boxing)
-short combinations
-2-man partner work including applications
The last 1/2 hr is spend on “level specific” work which includes forms. Eventually, we hope to have that last 1/2 hr include various kinds of San Shou (not to be confused with San Shou the sport, but could include that.)
This is different than how I learned CLF however. I don’t let my beginning students learn any forms until they have completed a 3-month crash course in the “fundamentals.” Then they start on some really basic short forms, working up to the “pillar sets” of CLF ie Saap Ji Kau Dah, Ping Kuen, Ping Jaang Kuen and Ng Lun Chui.
That’s how we are weeding out students too. You want to learn to dance go to the ballet school. You want to learn to fight then you got do the simple stuff first, lots of repetition and building up your body for endurance, strength, flexibility, internal ging, breathing, etc.
FP
I think my first sifu studied from Doc Fai Wong in S.F. But I’m not 100% sure.
But he taught us two forms (relatively short forms), then some apps.
But basically checking out Doc Fai Wong’s form list, I don’t see how you could keep up with all your forms, unless you were like practicing forms for about 4 hours a day.
But sounds out like your school is more apps oriented.
Obviously you are free to comment … but your “reasearch (web, books, what?)” and a few classes does not leave you in a position to comment credibly.
Also, your statement that “IF you ever take up clases/training again,” implies something completely different than Master Killer’s “I train to train” … which is excellent by the way.
If you are a serious martial artist you’re looking to refine yourself through the journey, by going to class when you’re tired, sore, don’t feel like it. By measuring how well you can execute X today compared to 3 weeks ago. This is martial arts. A very small percentage of martial artists are compelled to “fight”.
The attitude you expressed wouldn’t produce much more weather you trained ninjitsu in a bright-orange suit, MMA or special Navy Seal H2H.
Whatever you do in this world, it’s in the doing. Research is for those to ponder what other’s have done or are doing.
this statement proves to everyone you have not been involved in any good CMA…sorry you have been duped and fooled in the past.
that must suck
My god, why are we still discussing this??? Some CMA schools teach just forms, some dont. I do forms for ~15 min as warm up. 99% of the time I spend on martial arts is 2-man drills and exercises, often times with a good deal resistance; its rare a week goes by where I dont come home with a busted lip or a bruised chest or face.
Neil, I understand that you feel the way you do but is there really a need to keep rekindling your anger, ro whatever it is you have? This thread isnt about MMA vs CMA, its about teachers and students. Can we leave it at that?
Just study what you like; if that’s CMA then great, if that’s MMA then great.
I’m sure you’ll find good and bad teachers in either group.
I will say this, and then I’ll stop.
IMHO CMA spends too much time on forms. Forms without techniques are useless.
As for training just for training … that makes no sense. Sewing just for sewing? Training just for training? Last I checked this was a martial art. Applied martial arts is fighting.
As for Ray’s no research thing… whatever. If you choose not to use your brain, then that’s your problem.
And with that, I’ll stop. Because this crap is boring.
Fighting is what I do when some guy decides to grab my wife in a bar.
Training is what I do when I’m working techniques against a resisting partner who won’t stab me if I mess up.
Ignoring is what I’ll do to the rest of your posts. What a maroon.
Fighting just for fighting?
If you do a thing for the long haul, it’s either because 1) You are living in a feudal society where you are owned and have no choice but do it, or 2) You do it because you like doing it simply because you like it.
To my knowledge, Jackie Chan and some people from the PRC are the only people doing martial arts for any other reason than that they like it. No one does it primarily for functionality, since it’s a fairly unimportant skill even among combatives.
You are basically up on a high horse with a guy who lives up to the mma fantasy, while you are talking about it. You could be listening, or training, but instead you’re talking. Do you think that will get you far in “mma”?
Why do you people think I’m not training?
[SIZE=“7”]I TRAIN EVERY FRICKING DAY[/SIZE]
[SIZE=“3”]I even teach my daughter now…[/SIZE]
I think you’re the maroons.
Martial arts is FOR FIGHTING, get it? If you’re training for self defense, you’re training for fighting.
Do you fight your daughter every day?
Does she get into fights every day at school?
When was the last time you got into a fight?